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| 00:00:00 | karamazovapy | I'm only skeptical because I see no reason why it wouldn't work |
| 00:00:00 | Zoomber | see thats the thing |
| 00:00:00 | Zoomber | i have ubuntu 9.04 |
| 00:00:00 | Zoomber | and cant even sudo apt-update at the moment |
| 00:01:00 | karamazovapy | maybe you're typing something incorrectly? |
| 00:01:00 | Zoomber | no, i get an error |
| 00:02:00 | Zoomber | repository location not found |
| 00:02:00 | Zoomber | i looked, my version not on the dist archive page anymore |
| 00:02:00 | raptor | whack the server and install centos |
| 00:02:00 | Zoomber | good idea! |
| 00:02:00 | karamazovapy | yeah...switching distros isn't a big deal |
| 00:02:00 | raptor | or suse or redhat |
| 00:06:00 | Zoomber | i just like ubuntu for me personally, because its the one im most aquainted to |
| 00:06:00 | karamazovapy | most of the time you'll never have to interact with any platform-specific elements |
| 00:06:00 | sam686 | does sudo apt-get upgrage work? |
| 00:07:00 | karamazovapy | unless you're constantly upgrading stuff |
| 00:07:00 | sam686 | sorry, it is spelled upgrade |
| 00:07:00 | Zoomber | oh ok |
| 00:07:00 | Zoomber | thats good to know |
| 00:08:00 | karamazovapy | I mean, hosting a server really isn't any different, and connecting via ssh or ftp isn't different at all |
| 00:09:00 | Zoomber | is cent OS 5.5 an acceptable version? |
| 00:09:00 | karamazovapy | I should think so... |
| 00:09:00 | raptor | sure, i think it's still supported for a number of years |
| 00:09:00 | Zoomber | seems some of their OSses dont have the most latest |
| 00:09:00 | raptor | nope |
| 00:09:00 | raptor | that is not the nature of stable servers |
| 00:10:00 | raptor | but they are supported for longer |
| 00:10:00 | Zoomber | yeah, but i think they only have one ubuntu OS that still has repository info on the archive left |
| 00:11:00 | karamazovapy | my vps is centos 5.5 |
| 00:11:00 | | koda Quit (Quit: k thx bai) |
| 00:11:00 | karamazovapy | 32-bit |
| 00:11:00 | karamazovapy | I have zero problems |
| 00:11:00 | Zoomber | my server running bitfighter main () seems to be running fine now, with ubuntu 10 |
| 00:12:00 | karamazovapy | oh, and this is my vps deal - Memory: 384 MB |
| 00:12:00 | karamazovapy | Burst: 512 MB |
| 00:12:00 | karamazovapy | Disk Space: 10 GB |
| 00:12:00 | karamazovapy | Bandwidth: 1000 GB |
| 00:12:00 | karamazovapy | $5 / mo |
| 00:13:00 | sam686 | can you try changing archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com? |
| 00:13:00 | karamazovapy | lol...one of the preinstalled OS options includes a minecraft server |
| 00:13:00 | karamazovapy | CentOS (32-bit) with Minecraft server |
| 00:13:00 | Zoomber | i would..but i have already sent in a request to change my OS to centOS |
| 00:13:00 | karamazovapy | Requires at least 1GB RAM, SSH to your server as root and execute #chmod +x minecraft_server.jar #minecraft.testserver.com ---- then your server is ready! |
| 00:14:00 | Zoomber | hah |
| 00:14:00 | raptor | haha |
| 00:14:00 | raptor | minecraft is still big? |
| 00:14:00 | karamazovapy | I guess |
| 00:14:00 | Zoomber | thats SO IRONIC |
| 00:14:00 | karamazovapy | they keep putting out new releases |
| 00:14:00 | Zoomber | ironic, because minecraft has all those pixel-y blocks? |
| 00:14:00 | sam686 | so what is zoomber doing? changing OS? |
| 00:14:00 | Zoomber | zoomber is changing OS to centOS |
| 00:15:00 | karamazovapy | if you put in the change, it's probably already done |
| 00:15:00 | Zoomber | i sent in an order for them to do it |
| 00:15:00 | Zoomber | they said they would send me an email when it is done |
| 00:15:00 | karamazovapy | oh, okay |
| 00:15:00 | karamazovapy | I think it's automated most places |
| 00:15:00 | Zoomber | it says my current os is centOS now though.. |
| 00:15:00 | karamazovapy | I think you're good to go |
| 00:15:00 | Zoomber | but no email' |
| 00:15:00 | karamazovapy | give SSH a shot |
| 00:15:00 | Zoomber | ok; i will give it a shot |
| 00:15:00 | karamazovapy | wait |
| 00:15:00 | karamazovapy | a SSHot |
| 00:16:00 | Zoomber | do you think they boot up automatically? |
| 00:16:00 | Zoomber | hah |
| 00:16:00 | karamazovapy | yeah, I think it takes about five minutes to switch, tops |
| 00:18:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 00:18:00 | Zoomber | SSH time |
| 00:19:00 | Zoomber | Oh. Ok |
| 00:19:00 | Zoomber | that is Real cooool |
| 00:20:00 | karamazovapy | worksies? |
| 00:20:00 | Zoomber | i SSH and log in to find ubuntu is still up and running! |
| 00:20:00 | karamazovapy | lol |
| 00:20:00 | Zoomber | yet, i used /shutdown 1 eariler, and i did get disconnected |
| 00:20:00 | Zoomber | then i ordered a reinstall |
| 00:20:00 | karamazovapy | I just found a server load graph for the last month of my vps - https://www.msu.edu/~youattan/serverload.png |
| 00:21:00 | karamazovapy | of course, I'm not sure what those numbers actually mean |
| 00:21:00 | karamazovapy | but it looks neat! |
| 00:21:00 | Zoomber | yeah |
| 00:21:00 | Zoomber | you hit 1.5 something units. congratulations! |
| 00:22:00 | sam686 | thats the CPU usage it looks like.. |
| 00:22:00 | karamazovapy | my memory load and traffic graphs are less exciting |
| 00:22:00 | karamazovapy | well there's a graph that displays memory usage over time |
| 00:22:00 | sam686 | part of the idling might be due to not running any server from some time... |
| 00:23:00 | Zoomber | i use https://123systems.net/ for this VPS. it isnt as good as comforthost.net, but i can get a lifetime 128 MB ded ram addition |
| 00:24:00 | Zoomber | so i have about 384 MB of ram, yet only some of that ram is burst |
| 00:24:00 | karamazovapy | oooh - https://www.msu.edu/~youattan/8520sczq.bmp |
| 00:24:00 | karamazovapy | that makes me think more people have been playing in may and june |
| 00:25:00 | karamazovapy | or maybe that's just when I added bots... |
| 00:25:00 | karamazovapy | lol |
| 00:25:00 | sam686 | it is probably the robots eating all the CPU.. |
| 00:25:00 | karamazovapy | nah, according to the kserv status thread, I added bots back in march |
| 00:26:00 | Zoomber | MAH |
| 00:26:00 | Zoomber | GIVE ME CENT OS ALREADY |
| 00:26:00 | karamazovapy | besides the bots aren't active when nobody's logged in |
| 00:26:00 | karamazovapy | I think the graph shows the increase in play time over the summer months |
| 00:27:00 | sam686 | looking at this http://bitfighter.org/gamereports/graphs/ it doesn't seem to change over time... |
| 00:28:00 | karamazovapy | it may not change much overall, but traffic to my server could be up |
| 00:28:00 | Zoomber | i think it has changed from lots of players who go on bitfighter ONCE and leave, to people who visit bitfighter much more frequently |
| 00:29:00 | karamazovapy | well and I'd say the 120 day Bitfighter Usage Graph 1 does trend upward |
| 00:29:00 | sam686 | it is ofent because of players can go AFK while in server, making bot eat CPU.. |
| 00:29:00 | karamazovapy | yeah, that could be |
| 00:30:00 | Zoomber | oh _k, it loooks like i will be sending a support ticket.. |
| 00:30:00 | Zoomber | oh wait |
| 00:30:00 | Zoomber | no, scratch that wait |
| 00:32:00 | karamazovapy | give it 24 hours before you send a ticket |
| 00:32:00 | sam686 | who knows, maybe company's server support on zoomber's vps is lacking - why outdated ubuntu? |
| 00:32:00 | Zoomber | no, they responded to my first support ticket reallly quickly |
| 00:33:00 | sam686 | maybe, support might not be available at like near midnight, or at some other time.. |
| 00:33:00 | Zoomber | yes, it is primetime here though |
| 00:34:00 | raptor | sam686: I have a c++ question - If i declare a static Vector in a header, then use a method to fill that Vector with something, can I use that same vector globally and it will have the data i filled it up with wherever i use? |
| 00:35:00 | raptor | even if i include that header in many files? |
| 00:35:00 | sam686 | static Vector inside class? |
| 00:35:00 | raptor | yes, but in a .h |
| 00:36:00 | raptor | so like static Vector<int> joysticks; in the .h |
| 00:36:00 | raptor | then i fill it up with initializeJoysticks() |
| 00:36:00 | sam686 | you can use static Vector, but there will only be one class::Vector, being shared to all instance.. |
| 00:37:00 | raptor | so I can use Joystick::joysticks[0] anywhere and get the same object? |
| 00:37:00 | sam686 | yes if it is static |
| 00:37:00 | raptor | ok |
| 00:37:00 | raptor | thanks |
| 00:39:00 | raptor | watusimoto: it looks like you are ignoring joystick input less than 0.5 for positive axis, is that correct? |
| 00:40:00 | raptor | on a scale of 0 to 1 |
| 00:40:00 | sam686 | i kind of changed it to 0.5, as using > 0 is too sensitive, expecially for menus.. |
| 00:40:00 | raptor | ah ok |
| 00:40:00 | raptor | i'll keep it like that for now, too |
| 00:40:00 | raptor | just wanted some history :) |
| 00:52:00 | Zoomber | @karamazovapy by the way. I was trying to create a new super powerful _kbot. If you would rather me not i can change it to zoomber.bot |
| 00:52:00 | Zoomber | so one way or another, might be testing it in server |
| 00:53:00 | karamazovapy | oh, okay |
| 00:53:00 | karamazovapy | whatever |
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| 01:25:00 | watusimoto | watusimoto: it looks like you are ignoring joystick input less than 0.5 for positive axis, is that correct? |
| 01:25:00 | watusimoto | probably |
| 01:25:00 | karamazovapy | ZoombeR |
| 01:25:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 01:25:00 | watusimoto | joysticks are often slightly off, so you want "about 0" to be o |
| 01:25:00 | watusimoto | to be 0 |
| 01:26:00 | karamazovapy | check my bot? |
| 01:26:00 | watusimoto | sam: your suggestion was right on the money last night. thanks! |
| 01:32:00 | | BitfighterLogBot - Commit 8ed0bd90f547 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Removed hack used to make last checkin work |
| 01:32:00 | | BitfighterLogBot - Commit 575dddb72d8c | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Removed unused copy constructor that caused errors adding SimpleLine items to editor, re-activated flip H and V, but they don't really work yet |
| 01:32:00 | | BitfighterLogBot - Commit ef1ad342279d | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: H and V keys now fully work in editor |
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| 01:53:00 | raptor | wow, i'm scrapping a lot of code.. |
| 01:56:00 | Zoomber | great! got my vps on centos now |
| 01:56:00 | Zoomber | their panels always SUCK, but when it comes to their support, both VPS 's i have seem to nail it |
| 01:58:00 | Zoomber | yumnmmm |
| 01:58:00 | Zoomber | i can taste the stableness |
| 02:01:00 | karamazovapy | yeah, those companies can be pretty attentive |
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| 02:19:00 | sam686 | ever going to fix http://bitfighter.org/wiki/ ? it doesn't work at all at the moment,, |
| 02:28:00 | sam686 | as for forum sending warnings, it is probably just a problem with php.ini option date.timezone = not set, America/New_York seems to be right. |
| 02:29:00 | raptor | are these errors coinciding with the deployment of your wiki login fix, sam? |
| 02:29:00 | sam686 | it was successfully deplayed before the forum warning and wiki error appear at the same time.. |
| 02:30:00 | raptor | ok |
| 02:31:00 | sam686 | could be related to whatever watusimoto might have made to bitfighter.org.. |
| 03:22:00 | watusimoto | I've logged a support request for the wiki |
| 03:22:00 | watusimoto | my web host upgraded php versions yesterday |
| 03:22:00 | raptor | i knew it!! |
| 03:22:00 | watusimoto | that's why everything is buggered up |
| 03:22:00 | sam686 | what version of PHP is it now? |
| 03:23:00 | watusimoto | have I mentioned that we need to get our own host for bitfighter? |
| 03:23:00 | raptor | 5.x |
| 03:23:00 | raptor | at least 5.3, i mean |
| 03:23:00 | raptor | those date errors are specific to 5.3 |
| 03:23:00 | watusimoto | PHP 5.2.13 (cli) (built: May 6 2010 16:12:26) |
| 03:23:00 | watusimoto | Copyright (c) 1997-2010 The PHP Group |
| 03:23:00 | watusimoto | Zend Engine v2.2.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies |
| 03:23:00 | sam686 | it is not date error, it is date warnings.. |
| 03:24:00 | watusimoto | at least from the cmd line |
| 03:24:00 | raptor | really? |
| 03:24:00 | raptor | interesting |
| 03:24:00 | raptor | they must have backported some 'features' to 5.2, then |
| 03:24:00 | watusimoto | but even php -v gives errors |
| 03:24:00 | watusimoto | [eykamp@domo eykamp]$ php -v |
| 03:24:00 | watusimoto | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library './pdo.so' - ./pdo.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 03:24:00 | watusimoto | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library './pdo_mysql.so' - ./pdo_mysql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 03:24:00 | watusimoto | PHP 5.2.13 (cli) (built: May 6 2010 16:12:26) |
| 03:24:00 | watusimoto | Copyright (c) 1997-2010 The PHP Group |
| 03:24:00 | watusimoto | Zend Engine v2.2.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies |
| 03:24:00 | watusimoto | [eykamp@domo eykamp]$ |
| 03:25:00 | raptor | haha, they forgot to install a module |
| 03:25:00 | raptor | good old quality assurance testing.. |
| 03:25:00 | sam686 | i used to use php-5.3.1, but wiki don't work on that version, so i went with php-5.3.6-Win32-VC9-x86 for my computer.. |
| 03:28:00 | watusimoto | I bought a AD&D book when I was about 15, for $12. Only looked at it a few times. Just sold it on ebay for over $100. |
| 03:29:00 | watusimoto | that might even be an increase in value after inflation |
| 03:31:00 | watusimoto | What do you guys think about hosting bitfighter.org, the master, forums, and wiki on a vps? |
| 03:32:00 | raptor | i think it would be better than the shared host you have now - from a maintenance perspective |
| 03:33:00 | sam686 | may be a good idea, as VPS may hold more RAM, more ports open, maybe more disk space, as game Stats will slowly eat more disk space and more.. |
| 03:34:00 | sam686 | as PHP update can suddenly break wiki as it has now, unless there a way to have control of PHP updates.. |
| 03:34:00 | watusimoto | what about that deal zoomber found for $36 a year. Would that suffice, do you think? The master is pretty lightweight |
| 03:34:00 | watusimoto | I'd buy that |
| 03:35:00 | raptor | be back in a bit |
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| 03:38:00 | sam686 | there may be a way to fix old wikimedia, as i see here: http://icesquare.com/wordpress/mediawiki-error-parse-error-syntax-error-unexpected-t_namespace-expecting-t_string-in-usrlocalwwwapache22datawikiincludesnamespace-php-on-line-46/ |
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| 03:53:00 | watusimoto | well... should we fix or upgrade? |
| 03:54:00 | sam686 | it is sometimes better to update wikimedia.. |
| 03:56:00 | watusimoto | perhaps. Just did the fix (as it was so easy) |
| 03:56:00 | sam686 | more errors: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/ |
| 03:56:00 | watusimoto | I don't think there's much customization to wiki |
| 03:56:00 | watusimoto | yes, many more |
| 03:56:00 | watusimoto | so upgrading might be easy |
| 04:04:00 | watusimoto | oh, but there's the syntax color thing... |
| 04:06:00 | watusimoto | argh |
| 04:06:00 | watusimoto | the upgrade script fails |
| 04:18:00 | sam686 | at least mine seems to work fine, but is empty, here is my wiki version: http://96.2.123.136/wiki/index.php/Special:Version |
| 04:18:00 | | BitfighterLogBot - Commit 97d5b8617f97 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Rotate ("R", shift-R) now works in editor |
| 04:18:00 | | BitfighterLogBot - Commit ef95b6070751 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Scale (ctrl-shift-x) now works (again) in the editor |
| 04:18:00 | | BitfighterLogBot - Commit 04394fe85750 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Can now insert a vertex btwn the first and last vertex on a polygon item in editor |
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| 04:22:00 | raptor | i have returned |
| 04:23:00 | raptor | wikimedia upgrade would be ideal - as well as phpbb to 3.0.9 (we're at 3.0.6) |
| 04:23:00 | raptor | the works! |
| 04:27:00 | raptor | watusimoto: I'm not quite sure I understand how you detect if a joystick axis is released |
| 04:28:00 | raptor | wait, i have an idea... |
| 04:47:00 | watusimoto | [eykamp@domo maintenance]$ php update.php --conf ../../LocalSettings.php PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library './pdo.so' - ./pdo.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 04:47:00 | watusimoto | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library './pdo_mysql.so' - ./pdo_mysql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 04:47:00 | watusimoto | Warning: include(./extensions/bad-behavior/bad-behavior-mediawiki.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/eykamp/www/bitfighter/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 144 |
| 04:47:00 | watusimoto | Warning: include(): Failed opening './extensions/bad-behavior/bad-behavior-mediawiki.php' for inclusion (include_path='/home/eykamp/www/bitfighter/wiki:/home/eykamp/www/bitfighter/wiki/includes:/home/eykamp/www/bitfighter/wiki/languages:.:/usr/local/share/pear:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/eykamp/www/bitfighter/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 144 |
| 04:47:00 | watusimoto | Warning: require_once(./extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/geshi/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/eykamp/www/bitfighter/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 145 |
| 04:47:00 | watusimoto | Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required './extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/geshi/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.php' (include_path='/home/eykamp/www/bitfighter/wiki:/home/eykamp/www/bitfighter/wiki/includes:/home/eykamp/www/bitfighter/wiki/languages:.:/usr/local/share/pear:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/eykamp/www/bitfighter/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 145 |
| 04:47:00 | watusimoto | [eykamp@domo maintenance]$ |
| 04:47:00 | Zoomber | hey watusimoto |
| 04:47:00 | Zoomber | did you get my message eariler? |
| 04:47:00 | watusimoto | which one? |
| 04:47:00 | raptor | yuk |
| 04:47:00 | watusimoto | I so don't want to deal with this |
| 04:47:00 | Zoomber | i was looking at a cached version of the bitfighter wiki which was taken on july 3rd |
| 04:48:00 | Zoomber | and at the top of the wiki, this is the message |
| 04:48:00 | Zoomber | Notice: Undefined index: Cookie in /home/eykamp/www/bitfighter/wiki/extensions/bad-behavior/bad-behavior/common_tests.inc.php on line 28 |
| 04:48:00 | sam686 | let me guess, a cached version like this? http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=cache%3Abitfighter.org%2Fwiki%2F |
| 04:48:00 | Zoomber | oh |
| 04:48:00 | Zoomber | you beat me to the link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EmDja65KDqoJ:bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php%3Ftitle%3DBuilding_Bitfighter+install+server+bitfighter+wiki&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari&source=www.google.com |
| 04:49:00 | Zoomber | that is why i said i was looking at a cached verison of bitfighter. i needed to view page building bitfighter for my centOS vps |
| 04:49:00 | raptor | watusimoto: it looks like they have a problem with the module and the php.ini - which you don't have access to, my guess |
| 04:49:00 | Zoomber | this is on shared hosting? |
| 04:50:00 | Zoomber | oh my. look at the wiki page now |
| 04:50:00 | sam686 | it may be a php problem that is preventing mediawiki from working.. |
| 04:50:00 | Zoomber | its like a person whos sickniss has grown |
| 04:50:00 | Zoomber | everything is deprected |
| 04:50:00 | Zoomber | deprecated* |
| 04:50:00 | Zoomber | oh sorry. thats only one function deprecated 20 times |
| 04:53:00 | sam686 | seems that wiki at bitfighter.org is still on an old version, but i don't know the version number.. |
| 04:54:00 | raptor | i did a messy mediawiki update a little while ago |
| 04:55:00 | Zoomber | maybe should switch to cheap vps? |
| 04:55:00 | raptor | I had to run the schema updater script in the maintenance directory |
| 04:55:00 | raptor | first |
| 04:55:00 | sam686 | wiki/extensions/bad-behavior/bad-behavior/functions.inc.php why bad-behavior? something wrong with wiki installations.. whats in bad-behavior? |
| 04:55:00 | raptor | (after backing up mysql) |
| 04:55:00 | raptor | i then had to nuke the whole installation and re-add my customizations to the new one |
| 04:55:00 | Zoomber | does sam686 have a mirror of bitfighter? |
| 04:55:00 | sam686 | no, |
| 04:56:00 | sam686 | i just have en empty installation of wiki and phpbb |
| 04:56:00 | Zoomber | oh |
| 04:56:00 | Zoomber | someone did.. |
| 04:56:00 | Zoomber | just one page |
| 04:56:00 | Zoomber | home page |
| 04:56:00 | sam686 | that might be in watusimoto's VPS server... |
| 04:56:00 | Zoomber | oh, that is the ip of watusimotos vps server |
| 04:57:00 | Zoomber | dang, you beat me to it! |
| 04:59:00 | Zoomber | http://65.49.81.67/ mirrors bitfighters home page |
| 05:00:00 | Zoomber | and eykamp.com/bitfighter? |
| 05:01:00 | sam686 | haha, its the same server http://eykamp.com/bitfighter/forums/ |
| 05:01:00 | Zoomber | oh |
| 05:01:00 | Zoomber | why is everything different then? |
| 05:02:00 | sam686 | http://eykamp.com/bitfighter/wiki/ is the same server with same error as http://bitfighter.org/wiki/ |
| 05:02:00 | Zoomber | yeah, but the other stuff like./bitfighter/contact look different |
| 05:02:00 | sam686 | it can't find pictures due to using different path |
| 05:02:00 | Zoomber | ooh |
| 05:03:00 | Zoomber | anybody have $2,350? we can buy bitfighter.com! |
| 05:04:00 | Zoomber | they are crazy! |
| 05:04:00 | raptor | i think i'd rather pay of a few mortgage payments first... |
| 05:04:00 | sam686 | thats a bit expensive for that domain... |
| 05:04:00 | Zoomber | haha ok |
| 05:05:00 | Zoomber | yes, i am suprised at what they are charging. it has been empty and for sale for over a year now |
| 05:05:00 | Zoomber | maybe longer |
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| 05:34:00 | watusimoto | webhost upgraded from from php 5.2.x to php 5.3.x |
| 05:35:00 | raptor | i knew it! |
| 05:37:00 | sam686 | make sure it is not 5.3.1, as mediawiki don't work on that php version.. as says here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download |
| 05:38:00 | sam686 | other then that, if updrading mediaWiki, maybe you missed something trying to upgrade? |
| 05:47:00 | sam686 | looks like warnings are gone in http://bitfighter.org/forums/ but same error in wiki.. |
| 05:48:00 | watusimoto | yeah, he set the timezone var |
| 05:51:00 | sam686 | it is possible that modification to wiki files might have made it worse.. |
| 05:53:00 | watusimoto | I'm sure they did |
| 06:01:00 | raptor | can you populate a struct directly like an array? |
| 06:05:00 | sam686 | like it is done in SundSystem.cpp for sfxProfilesModern? |
| 06:05:00 | raptor | yes, exactly |
| 06:05:00 | raptor | ok good |
| 06:05:00 | raptor | thanks |
| 06:07:00 | sam686 | i kind of wish const Color can be const Color = {1, 1, 0}, which can avoid all the black menu or black color problem... |
| 06:09:00 | raptor | does the 'const' give us any performance benefit? |
| 06:10:00 | sam686 | i don't know for class, but const char a = 1; can speed up for sure... |
| 06:13:00 | raptor | you mean compared to char a = 1; ? |
| 06:13:00 | sam686 | yes |
| 06:13:00 | raptor | how does that make it a speedup? |
| 06:13:00 | sam686 | often because of at compile time, it knows const will not change, and can hard code the number to instruction instead of address to variable.. |
| 06:14:00 | raptor | ahhh |
| 06:14:00 | raptor | ok |
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| 06:56:00 | raptor | what is experimental aim mode? |
| 06:56:00 | sam686 | probably something with attempting to have different way of handling joysticks... |
| 06:56:00 | raptor | i don't think so |
| 06:57:00 | sam686 | different way to fire.. |
| 06:57:00 | raptor | that make smore sense |
| 06:57:00 | sam686 | maybe by showing aiming.. |
| 07:05:00 | raptor | i almost have something for you to test sam686 - as far as the joystick goes - maybe tomorrow |
| 07:05:00 | sam686 | ok.. |
| 07:05:00 | sam686 | almost, but not done? |
| 07:06:00 | raptor | yeah - i think all the logic is mostly done |
| 07:06:00 | raptor | i just need to plug in the new methods into the Movement/UI code |
| 07:06:00 | raptor | but i'm falling asleep |
| 07:07:00 | raptor | so good night |
| 07:08:00 | sam686 | ok, have a good night raptor.. |
| 07:08:00 | raptor | thansk |
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| 15:58:00 | raptor | So i'm struggling with getting two axis set at once with SDL |
| 15:58:00 | raptor | i know it must be simple - i'mjust braindead at the moment |
| 16:24:00 | karamazovapy | I think experimental aim mode removed "depth" from the aiming process |
| 16:25:00 | karamazovapy | but it's never had any effect for controllers |
| 16:25:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: can you explain to me what it is and any history behind it? |
| 16:25:00 | karamazovapy | it was just an idea wat had - there's no history beyond that |
| 16:25:00 | karamazovapy | I think the idea was to simplify aiming with the mouse |
| 16:26:00 | karamazovapy | let me check something |
| 16:27:00 | karamazovapy | oh, nevermind, I was thinking of something else |
| 16:28:00 | karamazovapy | but I can tell you what experimental aim mode is |
| 16:28:00 | karamazovapy | it |
| 16:28:00 | raptor | yes please |
| 16:28:00 | karamazovapy | it's exactly what it appears to be |
| 16:28:00 | karamazovapy | a green line that extends from your ship |
| 16:29:00 | raptor | interesting |
| 16:29:00 | karamazovapy | it's intended to help you see how you line up |
| 16:29:00 | raptor | so a laser guide... |
| 16:29:00 | karamazovapy | sort of |
| 16:29:00 | karamazovapy | except it doesn't really help at all in games |
| 16:29:00 | karamazovapy | move the analog stick just a little bit |
| 16:30:00 | karamazovapy | and between neutral and firing, the line appears |
| 16:30:00 | karamazovapy | it's actually not a bad idea for dungeons and if there's ever an opportunity to line something up, but it's useless if you're moving |
| 16:31:00 | raptor | i am asking because it may be broken by the time i'm done with it, although I'm trying for it not to be... |
| 16:32:00 | karamazovapy | I think watusimoto kind of abandoned this incarnation but might be interested in a similar concept |
| 16:32:00 | karamazovapy | I would like to see experimental aim mode reflect off walls and activate automatically with bouncers |
| 16:32:00 | watusimoto | I thik we can remove experimental aiming mode |
| 16:33:00 | watusimoto | I would like to consider a module that gives you a sort of tracking mode, where you select a ship and it shoots a leading shot |
| 16:33:00 | karamazovapy | yikes |
| 16:33:00 | watusimoto | we could call it a firing computer |
| 16:33:00 | raptor | dangerous |
| 16:34:00 | raptor | it should cost something |
| 16:34:00 | karamazovapy | like the ability to move |
| 16:34:00 | karamazovapy | lol |
| 16:36:00 | watusimoto | @r -- you can remove experiemtna aim mode if it's in your way, and we can reimplement if we want it for bouncers |
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| 16:51:00 | raptor | watusimoto: ok - I will :) |
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| 17:19:00 | raptor | sizeof(char) = 1, correct? |
| 17:23:00 | raptor | and are all enums sized of ints? |
| 18:33:00 | raptor | ok, enums can be anything, but are a maximum of sizeof(int) |
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| 19:17:00 | watusimoto | @r yes |
| 19:17:00 | watusimoto | sizeof char = 1 |
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| 21:29:00 | raptor | i need to talk to a developer about logical operation on a bitset |
| 21:29:00 | raptor | let's say I have 8 bits: 01010101 |
| 21:31:00 | raptor | and i need to change just one bit to what i designate |
| 21:31:00 | raptor | so let's say i need to change the first bit to 1: 11010101 |
| 21:31:00 | raptor | what operation do I do to make 01010101 (oper) 10000000 = 11010101 |
| 21:31:00 | raptor | ?? |
| 21:35:00 | raptor | it's probably just simple addition subtraction taht I want.. |
| 21:43:00 | zoomber | hello |
| 21:44:00 | zoomber | i guess i dont really no much about that, but you cant use the opperation + ? |
| 21:44:00 | zoomber | operator* |
| 21:45:00 | raptor | bitwise operations is the topic... always gives me a headache |
| 21:46:00 | karamazovapy | my current project is already by far the biggest level I've ever made, and it's hardly gotten started |
| 21:46:00 | raptor | biggest in size? |
| 21:46:00 | zoomber | €+ U = Õ |
| 21:46:00 | karamazovapy | it's already 66kb |
| 21:46:00 | karamazovapy | the edwardian script level is only 49 |
| 21:46:00 | zoomber | hey _k, i made a second dungeon a while ago, because it seemed everyone only played dungeons, and it takes over 5 minutes to load now |
| 21:47:00 | zoomber | it has ALOT of polywalls and size 1 walls |
| 21:47:00 | zoomber | adjusting barrier size in game takes decades for me |
| 21:47:00 | zoomber | oh _k, by the way, i got my bot to work |
| 21:47:00 | karamazovapy | oh good |
| 21:47:00 | zoomber | want to see what i have so far? |
| 21:47:00 | karamazovapy | sure |
| 21:47:00 | zoomber | i just realized, i had to put both speaking functions and sbot functions under same function main (both had function main) |
| 21:48:00 | karamazovapy | oh, and you pasted both of them into one file, separately? |
| 21:48:00 | zoomber | yes |
| 22:10:00 | zoomber | hey karamazovapy, do you still have "east of eden"? I want to put up a gibbed! remake server |
| 22:10:00 | raptor | joystick use question: |
| 22:10:00 | karamazovapy | it's just eden, but yes |
| 22:11:00 | raptor | in bitfighter, do you need to move the stick more to navigate the menus, than to move a ship? |
| 22:11:00 | karamazovapy | uh...what? |
| 22:11:00 | karamazovapy | http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=485& |
| 22:13:00 | raptor | i mean, is the joystick more responsive when controlling a ship, then it is when used to navigate the menus? |
| 22:13:00 | raptor | because that is what I see in the code; and I want to know if that is true in practice |
| 22:14:00 | karamazovapy | oh oh oh oh oh |
| 22:14:00 | karamazovapy | I'd say yes |
| 22:14:00 | karamazovapy | not by a lot, but there are different thresholds in game and only one (I think) for menu navigation |
| 22:14:00 | raptor | ok good |
| 22:15:00 | raptor | second question: do you have to move the stick entirely to one direction to go full speed, or can you hit full speed before the stick si moved all the way? |
| 22:16:00 | karamazovapy | full speed may come a bit before 100% in any one direction, but I think it's kind of a safety buffer in case the calibration is a little off |
| 22:17:00 | raptor | hmmm... |
| 22:19:00 | raptor | the code tells me the following: don't move the ship until 25% and don't move the shooting axes until 7.5%? |
| 22:20:00 | raptor | is that what it is like in practice? (and is this good? do the two axes need to have different thresholds?) |
| 22:20:00 | karamazovapy | I think you might have the axes swapped |
| 22:21:00 | karamazovapy | or maybe just a misunderstanding |
| 22:21:00 | karamazovapy | left stick is thrust and very sensitive |
| 22:21:00 | raptor | haha, because the code says it's supposed to be different |
| 22:21:00 | karamazovapy | right stick is pretty sensitive for facing a direction, but less sensitive for firing |
| 22:22:00 | karamazovapy | that right stick has two separate thresholds on it |
| 22:22:00 | raptor | the shooting stick? |
| 22:22:00 | karamazovapy | yes |
| 22:22:00 | raptor | i don't see left/right sticks in the code |
| 22:22:00 | raptor | only shoot/move |
| 22:23:00 | karamazovapy | the shooting stick has a threshold for at what % you should change your orientation |
| 22:23:00 | karamazovapy | at a slightly higher threshold, you actually fire your weapon |
| 22:23:00 | raptor | wait what? |
| 22:23:00 | raptor | the shooting stick does two things? |
| 22:23:00 | karamazovapy | yes, but it makes sense |
| 22:24:00 | karamazovapy | shooting stick is the mouse |
| 22:24:00 | raptor | i am not seeing that in the code, yet... |
| 22:24:00 | raptor | what controller do you use? |
| 22:24:00 | karamazovapy | I think you might be |
| 22:24:00 | karamazovapy | but you're confused |
| 22:24:00 | karamazovapy | you know how moving the mouse around the screen causes your ship to change its orientation? |
| 22:24:00 | raptor | yep |
| 22:25:00 | karamazovapy | that's what the low threshold of the shooting stick does |
| 22:25:00 | karamazovapy | the higher threshold is equivalent to clicking your mouse |
| 22:25:00 | raptor | ah ha! |
| 22:25:00 | raptor | i think i found it |
| 22:26:00 | raptor | that is specifically enabled with expermentalAimMode |
| 22:26:00 | raptor | if you turn that off, does the shooting stick still have that behaviour? |
| 22:26:00 | karamazovapy | well I don't use experimental aim mode, but that's still how it's always worked |
| 22:27:00 | karamazovapy | experimental aim mode just activates at the lower threshold |
| 22:27:00 | karamazovapy | kind of as a bonus |
| 22:27:00 | raptor | ah yes... now i see that |
| 22:28:00 | raptor | the experimental aim code was intermingled with the two thresholds |
| 22:28:00 | raptor | veeery interesting |
| 22:28:00 | raptor | thanks _k, you cleared a lot of things up |
| 22:28:00 | karamazovapy | no problem |
| 22:30:00 | zoomber | hey guys, how come i cant copy 'bitfighterd' executable to another file location, and run it there? |
| 22:31:00 | karamazovapy | cause you have to build it |
| 22:31:00 | zoomber | its on the same server, but it gives me 'premission denied' |
| 22:31:00 | zoomber | i have to build it? |
| 22:31:00 | zoomber | but tis already built? |
| 22:31:00 | karamazovapy | yeah, like a house |
| 22:31:00 | zoomber | i moved actual executbale |
| 22:31:00 | zoomber | not source file |
| 22:31:00 | karamazovapy | you can't just move a house! you're thinking about trailers. |
| 22:31:00 | zoomber | oh |
| 22:31:00 | zoomber | i can in mac :( |
| 22:32:00 | raptor | mac uses trailers |
| 22:32:00 | zoomber | yeah |
| 22:32:00 | zoomber | why is that? |
| 22:32:00 | zoomber | isn't all i need the execuabtle? |
| 22:32:00 | karamazovapy | no |
| 22:32:00 | zoomber | is there a framework it searches for? |
| 22:33:00 | raptor | on mac, the 'executable' isn't really the executable, it's a bundle of many files that the OS hides from you |
| 22:33:00 | raptor | on all other systems you have to move all the files together |
| 22:33:00 | karamazovapy | apple assumes you would break stuff if you knew it existed |
| 22:33:00 | zoomber | lol |
| 22:33:00 | karamazovapy | which is why they weld their computer cases shut |
| 22:33:00 | raptor | haha, so true |
| 22:33:00 | raptor | jerks |
| 22:34:00 | zoomber | they also always use integrated graphics.. |
| 22:34:00 | zoomber | so if one thing breaks, you cant fix it anymore, you gotta buy the whole thing |
| 22:34:00 | zoomber | computer |
| 22:34:00 | zoomber | actually that explains alot of stuff apple is doing right now |
| 22:35:00 | zoomber | so, is it possible for me to trailler all the required files? or would it be just more worth it to rebuild ? |
| 22:35:00 | karamazovapy | you could copy the entire bitfighter directory, and that would probably work |
| 22:35:00 | zoomber | ok |
| 22:36:00 | zoomber | hmm |
| 22:36:00 | zoomber | maybe i should stop thinking so hard |
| 22:36:00 | zoomber | and just realize |
| 22:36:00 | zoomber | i can use an ini file that points to a Different level directory |
| 22:36:00 | raptor | you really just need everything in the same directory as the true executable, including sub-directories |
| 22:38:00 | zoomber | everything in the exe file? |
| 22:38:00 | raptor | exe directory, yes |
| 22:38:00 | zoomber | oh.. |
| 22:38:00 | zoomber | but what else do i need then? its all loggs |
| 22:38:00 | raptor | you are on linux? |
| 22:39:00 | zoomber | oh, sound effex? |
| 22:39:00 | zoomber | yes |
| 22:39:00 | zoomber | ubuntu |
| 22:39:00 | raptor | ahhh... the resources didn't copy over |
| 22:39:00 | karamazovapy | you don't need the sound effects for a dedicated server |
| 22:39:00 | zoomber | then what do i need? |
| 22:39:00 | zoomber | only things in there are resources, and ini file |
| 22:39:00 | zoomber | plus logs |
| 22:39:00 | karamazovapy | *grumble* let me look |
| 22:39:00 | zoomber | i mean resources by levels, robots, scripts, efx |
| 22:39:00 | raptor | zoomber: you didn't actually say what the error was |
| 22:40:00 | zoomber | ./bitfighter |
| 22:40:00 | zoomber | premission denied |
| 22:40:00 | raptor | haha |
| 22:40:00 | karamazovapy | ./bitfighterd |
| 22:40:00 | zoomber | yes |
| 22:40:00 | zoomber | ./bitfighterd was what i meant |
| 22:40:00 | raptor | do the following: ls -l bitftghterd |
| 22:40:00 | zoomber | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4239927 Jul 15 02:24 bitfighterd |
| 22:41:00 | raptor | hahaha |
| 22:41:00 | zoomber | premissions should be fine? i can change them to 7 7 7 |
| 22:41:00 | raptor | nooo |
| 22:41:00 | zoomber | or not? |
| 22:41:00 | zoomber | no? |
| 22:41:00 | raptor | just set to 755 |
| 22:41:00 | zoomber | read write execute? |
| 22:41:00 | zoomber | does it break on 777? |
| 22:41:00 | raptor | -rwxr-xr-x is what you want |
| 22:41:00 | raptor | 777 will make it work, but is insecure from a filesystem permissions perspective |
| 22:41:00 | raptor | because it allows any user to change the file |
| 22:42:00 | raptor | you were missing the 'x' |
| 22:42:00 | zoomber | ok that works.. |
| 22:42:00 | zoomber | however |
| 22:42:00 | zoomber | meh, ill leave it at there |
| 22:43:00 | zoomber | last time i tried changing the premissions, it couldn't find the directory after i made the hcange.. |
| 22:43:00 | zoomber | first it would be, premision denied, so id change it to 777, and then it oculdn't find it |
| 22:44:00 | raptor | chmod +x bitfighterd is all you should need |
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| 22:53:00 | zoomber | POP |
| 22:53:00 | zoomber | yes, i just use filezilla though, becuase i am browsing levels anyways |
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| 22:54:00 | MAGNITUDE | POP POP |
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| 22:54:00 | zoomber | POP POP POP |
| 22:54:00 | karamazovapy | not a fan of Community? |
| 22:54:00 | zoomber | i am a fan of everycertainthings |
| 22:55:00 | zoomber | but no, i am not a fan of everything |
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| 22:59:00 | raptor | this conversation makes no sense to me.. |
| 22:59:00 | zoomber | dammit, i hate when you press \ in bash, and you cant get out of it |
| 22:59:00 | zoomber | oh |
| 22:59:00 | zoomber | i can do > |
| 22:59:00 | raptor | just add a semicolon and press enter |
| 22:59:00 | zoomber | and sanatax my awy up |
| 22:59:00 | zoomber | out |
| 22:59:00 | raptor | or ctrl+c |
| 22:59:00 | zoomber | oor ctrl z |
| 23:00:00 | raptor | ctrl z is bad - puts it in the background |
| 23:01:00 | zoomber | http://www.macports.org/ |
| 23:02:00 | zoomber | ooh, i must goo |
| 23:02:00 | zoomber | gooodlater |
| 23:02:00 | zoomber | goodbye* |
| 23:02:00 | raptor | bye |
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