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| 05:28:06 | raptor | hi sam686 |
| 05:28:26 | sam686 | hi |
| 05:28:42 | raptor | question: do you think the master server is good for the BBB server? |
| 05:30:08 | sam686 | not sure... only possible problem is if the master server could get overloaded running game server... |
| 05:31:17 | raptor | so the master server has the lowest ping for me - but it has that CPU stutter problem, i hink |
| 05:31:19 | raptor | *think |
| 05:32:43 | raptor | i need to order the maps |
| 05:32:51 | raptor | using numbered prefixes should work, right? |
| 05:33:43 | sam686 | i don't think master have shutter, but maybe your wireless have some shutter problem as I frequently see that happen when you host |
| 05:33:58 | raptor | ok |
| 05:34:09 | raptor | should i mix up the gametypes regularly? |
| 05:34:57 | raptor | i've never played enough BBB to have paid attention... |
| 05:35:59 | sam686 | probably should mix up the levels - don't want 10 CTF in a row, or all 3 of my same levelgen different game type in a row |
| 05:36:33 | raptor | ok |
| 05:36:41 | raptor | also, how many breaks were there usually? |
| 05:37:18 | sam686 | I think there are 3 breaks.. |
| 05:37:38 | raptor | and what maps are used for breaks? |
| 05:39:16 | sam686 | boo, I haven't marked any of my youtube videos as a "Break", though I recorded everything including Breaks.. |
| 05:39:25 | raptor | haha |
| 05:40:20 | sam686 | I know that often times, some of not so good maps was actually a break |
| 05:49:28 | sam686 | I sure remembered that _k's video recorder breaks, such as losing the first hour of BBB2 due to some error "Resource allocation failed" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgyh2iwvXOw |
| 05:50:19 | raptor | OK, i mixed up the levels |
| 05:50:28 | raptor | does this look OK? look at the bottom: http://beta.etherpad.org/p/BBBIX |
| 05:51:38 | sam686 | I think it looks ok.. |
| 05:55:40 | sam686 | Found another time _k vider recorder broke at first hour of BBB5, _k says "mine broke because I was recording UNCOMPRESSED 720p" |
| 05:55:58 | raptor | haha |
| 05:56:02 | raptor | oops |
| 06:03:50 | raptor | ok, i got most ordered.. |
| 06:06:59 | sam686 | what ping do you get with this command?: ping 216.231.134.232 (i get 86) |
| 06:07:17 | raptor | 99 |
| 06:07:18 | sam686 | ping bitfighter.org (i get 57) |
| 06:07:33 | raptor | bitfighter.org: i get 27 |
| 06:07:41 | sam686 | ping 66.85.153.187 (i get 86) |
| 06:08:06 | raptor | i get 25 |
| 06:08:52 | sam686 | you really get 25 ping on 66.85 ? I think thats another zoomber vps server that... we could use (seem to be currently not used be zoomber) |
| 06:08:58 | raptor | yes |
| 06:09:19 | sam686 | I already have access to ssh.. |
| 06:09:19 | raptor | however i think it's on the west coast |
| 06:09:29 | raptor | most players are the easy, right? |
| 06:09:36 | raptor | *east |
| 06:10:20 | sam686 | 199.192.229.168 pinging to bitfighter.org is 41 ms |
| 06:10:57 | raptor | should i set up a redirect to localhost? |
| 06:12:02 | sam686 | this might help on where the ip address to location is ... http://www.iplocation.net/index.php |
| 06:12:26 | raptor | i don't need a route - it's already smart |
| 06:12:45 | raptor | yeah, looks like bitfighter.org is central |
| 06:12:49 | raptor | probably better? |
| 06:13:54 | sam686 | it turns our my bitfighter sam686 (216.231.134.232) is kindof on the eastern, kindof north of location |
| 06:14:13 | raptor | that's good |
| 06:14:41 | raptor | that's really good - i think several players are in the south there |
| 06:15:07 | sam686 | but, the location of bitfighter.org seems a bit better, not sure how you get really low ping there.. |
| 06:15:18 | raptor | ok |
| 06:15:38 | sam686 | i mean north is where my bitfighter sam686 is.. |
| 06:15:53 | sam686 | as in https://maps.google.com/maps?q=LOMBARD,ILLINOIS,US (bitfighter sam686) |
| 06:16:15 | raptor | oh ok |
| 06:18:46 | sam686 | well, after looking at _k's ip address of (was used to be) 174.37.6.105 it is almost the same location as "Bitfighter sam686", which I bet the previous BBB was hosted there.. |
| 06:20:32 | raptor | ok final set-up is here: http://beta.etherpad.org/p/BBBIX |
| 06:21:39 | raptor | wait need to add one more... |
| 06:32:55 | sam686 | so you need to ssh to the server running bitfighter sam686? or do you want me to get all levels to put it in? |
| 06:33:38 | raptor | you can just grab the entire level directory at /home/master/bitfighter-dedicated/exe/levels |
| 06:33:46 | sam686 | ok |
| 06:33:57 | raptor | but i would like admin password on that server please |
| 06:49:52 | sam686 | ok, I think you can compile |
| 06:51:23 | raptor | compiling |
| 06:51:27 | raptor | levels copied over |
| 06:52:06 | raptor | ok, how will we keep track of players |
| 06:52:12 | raptor | shoudl I print a player list to the log? |
| 06:52:51 | sam686 | probably |
| 06:53:13 | raptor | hmmm... should do it twice? maybe 30 seconds into the level, and when the level ends? |
| 06:53:50 | raptor | done compiling |
| 06:53:57 | sam686 | when the level ends, you have the game reports on the master server.. |
| 06:54:04 | raptor | oh yeah.. |
| 06:54:22 | sam686 | that is if the master doesn't go down to receive game reports... |
| 06:54:42 | raptor | ok started the server |
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| 07:24:42 | sam686 | let me guess, you crashed or lagged out.. |
| 07:24:52 | raptor | lagged out... |
| 07:25:07 | raptor | not crash, i was just on the main menu... |
| 07:25:45 | raptor | good night |
| 07:25:50 | sam686 | buy some byes |
| 07:26:16 | sam686 | good night.. |
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| 17:03:29 | raptor | hello! |
| 17:03:47 | sam686 | hi |
| 17:04:16 | sam686 | so in BBB how long should break time last? 5 minutes? |
| 17:04:56 | sam686 | I know there almost always 3 break times from other BBB that has been played |
| 17:05:09 | raptor | probably 5-10 minutes |
| 17:07:27 | raptor | it depends on how tired people get... |
| 17:09:25 | sam686 | I have been thinking of... http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/break_time.png |
| 17:09:25 | sam686 | http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/break_time.level |
| 17:09:38 | raptor | I love it! |
| 17:10:31 | sam686 | thats good, can stick that in 3 times in the middle (hint, you can just named 12.5_break_time or similar |
| 17:10:40 | raptor | ok, i'm adding it... |
| 17:11:24 | sam686 | I think you can put it in after every 10 levels (if there is 40 levels |
| 17:12:43 | sam686 | I think you only need 3 breaks... |
| 17:12:48 | raptor | ok |
| 17:14:03 | raptor | ok, put in |
| 17:16:17 | sam686 | ok, added to list in http://beta.etherpad.org/p/BBBIX |
| 17:17:59 | raptor | i don't think i added them at the exact same places... let me look |
| 17:19:05 | raptor | ha! |
| 17:19:11 | raptor | you put them in perfectly |
| 17:19:13 | raptor | gok great! |
| 17:21:07 | sam686 | i guess triple point stars / core01 / top down houes / highway comes after the fourth break... |
| 17:21:19 | raptor | yes |
| 17:21:36 | raptor | and they can be used at any time instead of the normal line-up - you just have to remember the order... |
| 17:23:52 | sam686 | i wonder, should one of us post on a forum the level list of BBB 9 ? |
| 17:24:14 | raptor | nah |
| 17:24:20 | raptor | let it be a suprise :) |
| 17:24:24 | raptor | we'll do so afterwards |
| 17:24:31 | sam686 | though, showing level list wasn't really done until the "RESULTS" |
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| 19:40:23 | watusimoto | hi |
| 19:40:33 | raptor | hello! |
| 19:41:31 | watusimoto | how's it going? |
| 19:41:39 | raptor | good |
| 19:41:51 | raptor | i started school and i haven't worked on bitfighter code for 2 weeks! |
| 19:42:09 | raptor | been mostly trying to organize the BBB levels between spare moments |
| 19:42:13 | watusimoto | no worries... all the hold up for the next release is on my end |
| 19:42:28 | watusimoto | I'm on the critical path, your stuff less so |
| 19:42:39 | raptor | (if i can remember what i was doing...) |
| 19:42:46 | watusimoto | my problem as well |
| 19:42:56 | raptor | so are you in the US? |
| 19:43:17 | watusimoto | I've decided that I'm going to stop adding new lua stuff and just try to make sure everything works, then I'll add more stuff after the next release |
| 19:43:30 | watusimoto | I'm in NY at the moment... going to Boston tomorrow |
| 19:43:52 | watusimoto | I have access to a fast laptop here, so both kids will be playing tonihgt |
| 19:44:05 | raptor | great! |
| 19:44:20 | watusimoto | I also have a very slow laptop, so Ill try playing, but it usually tops out at 20-30 fps |
| 19:44:47 | watusimoto | put ping is great. I can hit kaen's werver with 40ms lag |
| 19:45:03 | raptor | how about the 'don't put beans up your nose'? |
| 19:45:09 | raptor | password is: bbb9 |
| 19:45:21 | raptor | :) |
| 19:45:27 | watusimoto | didn't try it :-) |
| 19:45:39 | watusimoto | tonight's pw is bbb9? |
| 19:45:50 | raptor | no |
| 19:45:55 | watusimoto | beans |
| 19:45:59 | raptor | i'll remove it when i change the name |
| 19:46:16 | raptor | it's the server i've been setting up for the BBB, but only we know that... |
| 19:46:27 | raptor | (and anyone who reads the log files..) |
| 19:47:19 | watusimoto | ah, got it |
| 19:47:53 | watusimoto | here's an idea... let you add users who automatically get levelchange/admin privs on a server |
| 19:47:59 | watusimoto | who don't need to provide a pw |
| 19:48:18 | watusimoto | so, for example, you could set up your beans server to give me admin privs without bothering with sending me a pw |
| 19:48:30 | raptor | you mean access control lists? |
| 19:48:40 | watusimoto | yes |
| 19:48:41 | watusimoto | and you could take it away without changing the pw |
| 19:48:43 | raptor | interesting... |
| 19:48:55 | watusimoto | an additional feature, not a replacement for the existing system |
| 19:49:05 | raptor | i like it.. |
| 19:49:28 | watusimoto | I think it would make life easier... I could have my own server pw protected without having to remember the pw |
| 19:49:55 | watusimoto | maybe limited to registered users to offer some modicum of sanity |
| 19:50:40 | raptor | yeah i agree |
| 19:50:48 | watusimoto | and, for official servers, like k's, he could give you and sam and me peremanent access while still rotating the pws every month |
| 19:51:02 | watusimoto | lots of scenarios |
| 19:51:05 | watusimoto | all good |
| 19:52:06 | raptor | seems good to me |
| 19:54:35 | watusimoto | would we want a ui to add/verify/remove names? |
| 19:54:53 | raptor | probably a /command |
| 19:56:32 | watusimoto | that could work |
| 19:56:57 | watusimoto | -/grant and /ungrant? |
| 19:58:17 | watusimoto | and maybe /showgrant |
| 19:58:19 | raptor | oops, i typed /sure |
| 19:58:23 | raptor | irc didn't like that.. |
| 19:58:27 | watusimoto | nope |
| 19:58:43 | watusimoto | so the livechat link is unavauilable from the forums |
| 19:58:51 | watusimoto | only from the home page and others like it |
| 19:58:54 | raptor | yes |
| 19:59:00 | raptor | we did that on purpose |
| 19:59:01 | watusimoto | ah, known issue? |
| 19:59:04 | watusimoto | ok |
| 19:59:06 | watusimoto | why? |
| 19:59:18 | watusimoto | keep people out? |
| 19:59:21 | raptor | to keep noise down in IRC |
| 19:59:25 | raptor | but |
| 19:59:34 | raptor | it's been so quiet, that i don't mind reevaluating that |
| 19:59:38 | raptor | :) |
| 19:59:45 | raptor | well.. no quiet in my head |
| 20:02:21 | raptor | i'm thinking about patching the BBB server to spit out the user list after 30 seconds into each level |
| 20:02:45 | raptor | because i don't have the time to do much else other than start it, and maybe show up for a few games later |
| 20:03:06 | raptor | i gave sam686 the admin password for the server - and he'll probably be recording |
| 20:08:26 | sam686 | watusimoto - in case you haven't yet checked my latest commit, it should fix windows-only release-only console problems, it now only hide console only when double clicked on bitfighter icon (debug mode never hides console with the hope of useful outputs during debugging) |
| 20:24:04 | sam686 | i will be back in about 2.6 hours |
| 20:24:31 | raptor | ok |
| 20:25:00 | raptor | watusimoto: even the released build only gives you 30 fps on your computer? |
| 20:27:26 | watusimoto | yes |
| 20:27:30 | watusimoto | but it is an old computer |
| 20:27:43 | raptor | well next release should be faster |
| 20:27:47 | watusimoto | I also want to try without music |
| 20:27:51 | raptor | with the GLES changes |
| 20:28:09 | raptor | but maybe that only matter if you have openGL capable hardware |
| 20:28:47 | watusimoto | getting 22 fps on beans now |
| 20:28:54 | raptor | ping? |
| 20:29:11 | watusimoto | with no music |
| 20:29:18 | watusimoto | 60ms ping |
| 20:29:24 | raptor | good |
| 20:29:28 | watusimoto | so networking side is working ok |
| 20:29:47 | watusimoto | my sister-in-law's computer can run 2 bf sessions side-by-side at 100fps |
| 20:29:56 | raptor | awesome! |
| 20:30:42 | watusimoto | 1.8GHz Pentium dual 3GB ram |
| 20:30:47 | watusimoto | should be able to do better |
| 20:31:00 | raptor | yeah... much better, unless you have loads of software running |
| 20:31:07 | raptor | like anti-virus.. |
| 20:31:10 | watusimoto | nothing.. I cleaned this sucker out |
| 20:31:21 | raptor | OS? |
| 20:31:33 | watusimoto | xp |
| 20:31:46 | raptor | graphics drivers installed properly? |
| 20:31:56 | watusimoto | just going to look |
| 20:31:59 | watusimoto | probably |
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| 20:33:51 | watusimoto_ | chrome crashed!! |
| 20:33:57 | raptor | ha! |
| 20:34:46 | watusimoto_ | wow... gettint 97 fps now |
| 20:34:56 | raptor | after chrome crashed? |
| 20:34:56 | watusimoto_ | I changed from 16 bit color to 32 bit color |
| 20:35:00 | raptor | great! |
| 20:35:03 | raptor | oh |
| 20:35:07 | raptor | haha - yeah that would happen |
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| 20:38:01 | watusimoto_ | well, I'll definitely be playing, then |
| 20:38:05 | watusimoto_ | at least for a while |
| 20:38:07 | raptor | great! |
| 20:38:12 | watusimoto_ | also need to socialize with my inlaws |
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| 22:54:55 | sam686 | I also get the really slow 5 fps when bitfighter is started on 16 bit color, on both my computers (one is ATI 9200, other is nvidia 6200SE), but the slow problem seem to only happen on bitfighter with 16 bit color, doesn't happen on other Opengl 3D programs.. |
| 22:55:22 | raptor | interesting |
| 22:55:38 | raptor | probably how we set up SDL? |
| 22:59:04 | sam686 | the really slow 16 bit bitfighter problem doesn't happen on latest 018 code, only 017? i think.. |
| 23:02:32 | sam686 | one or more of SDL_GL_SetAttribute(...) might be causing the problem (in 017, VideoSystem.cpp) |
| 23:03:35 | sam686 | probably the SDL_GL_RED_SIZE can't go higher then 5 on 16 bit depth color graphics or it might do very slow software rendering.. |
| 23:03:42 | raptor | yes |
| 23:03:49 | raptor | i remember we chose to change that for some reason |
| 23:04:09 | raptor | wasn't there a performance increase with forcing 32bit like that? |
| 23:04:58 | sam686 | umm, no, i don't think, especially not on older hardware graphics.. |
| 23:07:45 | sam686 | oh, and more importantly, SDL_GL_ALPHA_SIZE can't be other then 0 because 16 bit graphics have 5 bit blue, 6 bit green, 5 bit red, 0 bit alpha |
| 23:09:01 | sam686 | heck, even if you set all SDL_GL_RED_SIZE ( and GREEN and BLUE and ALPHA) to zero, it works.. |
| 23:09:27 | raptor | ha |
| 23:10:44 | raptor | ok, i patched the bbb server to log all players after 20 and 60 seconds in a level |
| 23:10:58 | raptor | and now i have to run - i'll be back in about 40 min |
| 23:11:12 | sam686 | SDL_GL_DEPTH_SIZE can stay at 16, nearly all Opengl hardware can work at 16 depth accelerated |
| 23:11:38 | sam686 | as we use Depth in editor (press tab to show spybug non-overlap same team) |
| 23:11:44 | raptor | i'll be back soon... |
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| 23:51:14 | raptor | hi |
| 23:51:20 | raptor | time to set up the server... |
| 23:52:50 | watusimoto | trying to get things set up now... |
| 23:57:45 | raptor | 2 min! |
| 23:59:30 | raptor | 25sec! |
