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| 00:01:59 | Watusimoto | so tonight or tomorrow I will be done with lua for 018 |
| 00:02:01 | Watusimoto | finally |
| 00:02:06 | | BFLogBot Commit: dae994950f9f | Author: watusimoto | Message: Make message look nicer |
| 00:02:07 | | BFLogBot Commit: f2ce73e4294d | Author: watusimoto | Message: Whitespace |
| 00:02:09 | | BFLogBot Commit: 0537537e7782 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Make polywall behavior consistent with regular walls |
| 00:02:09 | Watusimoto | then I can focus on bug fixing |
| 00:02:18 | Watusimoto | and then... release |
| 00:12:06 | raptor | release! |
| 00:25:21 | raptor | flagItem.cpp:136:13: warning: ‘bool Zap::isTeamFlagSpawn(Zap::Game*, TNL::S32)’ defined but not used |
| 00:25:29 | raptor | is that method still needed? |
| 00:27:07 | Watusimoto | if it's not used... |
| 00:27:18 | Watusimoto | is it simple enought that it would be easy to rewrite? |
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| 00:27:23 | raptor | that warning popped up in the last few days.. |
| 00:27:37 | amgine1234567890 | hey there anything going on? |
| 00:28:12 | Watusimoto | not much |
| 00:28:26 | amgine1234567890 | any new version up for me to test yet? |
| 00:29:06 | raptor | we'll ask you to test when we do |
| 00:29:15 | raptor | be patient :) |
| 00:45:25 | raptor | i shoudl add wuzzy's configuration to the code tonight.. |
| 00:48:47 | raptor | sam686: is your server down? |
| 00:52:05 | Watusimoto | amigne1234567890: we will need testing either tonight (if someone else can get you set up) or tomorrow (I can get you set up) |
| 00:52:25 | Watusimoto | I will need someone to run through all gametypes with s_bot and make sure no crashes |
| 00:55:30 | raptor | Watusimoto: are you ready for him to test that? |
| 00:55:40 | Watusimoto | after my next checkin, in about 5 ins |
| 00:55:42 | raptor | i can get him a build later tonight, if so.. |
| 00:55:43 | Watusimoto | mins |
| 00:55:47 | Watusimoto | ok, great |
| 00:55:49 | raptor | well, ok then! |
| 01:00:31 | amgine1234567890 | ok when you need to to do the bot test im ready |
| 01:01:59 | sam686 | ok |
| 01:02:01 | amgine1234567890 | ill be around thought maybe sligtly afk |
| 01:04:38 | raptor | leaving for home.. be back in a few hours |
| 01:05:10 | amgine1234567890 | ok |
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| 01:09:59 | Watusimoto | I'm doing a quick test myself, then I'll check my stuff in |
| 01:12:12 | Watusimoto | that's not good... crash before game even starts |
| 01:12:38 | amgine1234567890 | proably one of the new spans i bet |
| 01:13:51 | amgine1234567890 | err spawns |
| 01:15:39 | Watusimoto | ok, amgine1234567890 |
| 01:15:44 | | BFLogBot Commit: 71047785ee97 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Remove old-style enums, update s_bot to use new style. Other scripts need to be checked, but I think s_bot is the main one. |
| 01:15:46 | | BFLogBot Commit: 39da8011d94d | Author: watusimoto | Message: Add TODO: |
| 01:15:47 | Watusimoto | I'm done, and need to get to bed |
| 01:16:08 | Watusimoto | someone will have to get you a new build, and you'll need the new s_bot code |
| 01:16:21 | Watusimoto | but what we need is to go through all the game types, and play with one or more bots |
| 01:16:30 | Watusimoto | make sure they don't crash anywhere |
| 01:16:35 | amgine1234567890 | ok once i got the build i will do it |
| 01:17:05 | Watusimoto | if you don't have latest s_bot code, bots won't even start, so you'll know that right away |
| 01:17:18 | amgine1234567890 | ok noted |
| 01:17:29 | amgine1234567890 | may want to include the new bots in the compiled version |
| 01:17:49 | Watusimoto | bots need to play in different roles -- i.e. seeking flag, capturing flag, taking flag back to goal, etc. |
| 01:18:05 | Watusimoto | so you'll need to let them win some points here and there |
| 01:18:20 | Watusimoto | ok, I need to get to bed |
| 01:18:30 | sam686 | ok |
| 01:18:34 | Watusimoto | I'll check the chat logs tomorrow, so you can report any problems here |
| 01:18:36 | amgine1234567890 | ok thats t4eh standard s_bot what about teh others like the healbot and orbit bot or eliza |
| 01:18:54 | amgine1234567890 | umm or whats teh one that engeneers stuff |
| 01:19:12 | Watusimoto | you can test the other bots too... I haven;t changed them, but I don;t think they need changing |
| 01:19:31 | Watusimoto | they are much simpler than s_bot, so should crash more readily if they're going to |
| 01:19:33 | amgine1234567890 | ok ill ignore them see ya |
| 01:19:37 | Watusimoto | night sam686, night amgine1234567890 |
| 01:24:57 | sam686 | heres for amgine, http://sam6.25u.com/upload/bitfighter_018_rev_5820_39da8011d94d.zip |
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| 01:28:31 | amgine1234567890 | ugh dumb downbload |
| 01:28:38 | amgine1234567890 | maybe ill switch to ie |
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| 05:51:52 | amgine1234567890 | result of S-bot testin with compiled versi0on sam gave me. |
| 05:52:00 | amgine1234567890 | crashes in all modes 0 |
| 05:52:31 | amgine1234567890 | a few notes fix teh bots not sheilding agsint seekers and fine tune the bot paths |
| 05:53:07 | amgine1234567890 | bots seems to hover a bit in place before moving to there target and or osmtimes have problesm getting to there target |
| 05:57:42 | amgine1234567890 | other nots fix the bots getitng stuck on arrows and teles still a problem |
| 05:58:15 | FlynnnNT | question about the teleporters, and I always wanted to try this |
| 05:58:31 | FlynnnNT | but what if you created one large navgrid zone connected between two parts of a teleporter? |
| 05:58:53 | FlynnnNT | it probably wouldn't sense distance properly, but it would at least see the teleporter as a viable path theoretically? |
| 05:59:08 | amgine1234567890 | hmmm |
| 05:59:19 | FlynnnNT | just as a world design stragegy |
| 05:59:30 | amgine1234567890 | maybe ill tlak to the aminds about it |
| 05:59:45 | amgine1234567890 | other notes bots still get stuck on forcefilds some times |
| 06:00:08 | FlynnnNT | hmm could try negating any navzones intersected by forcefields |
| 06:00:14 | FlynnnNT | but dunno if that's jsut abug or not |
| 06:00:21 | FlynnnNT | I am just spewing idiocy as per usual lol |
| 06:00:38 | FlynnnNT | question, who are the aminds? or is that just a typo? I honeslty can't tell xD |
| 06:01:08 | FlynnnNT | not tryign to be a grammar nazi, but that could be lingo for something or whatnot |
| 06:01:19 | FlynnnNT | so I really do have no clue |
| 06:03:12 | amgine1234567890 | teh amidns are rpator and watiisimo and koda |
| 06:06:39 | FlynnnNT | oh I see |
| 06:08:47 | amgine1234567890 | sams a mod so is zombie dunoo if there are any others |
| 06:08:55 | amgine1234567890 | modos |
| 06:14:39 | amgine1234567890 | gtg bye |
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| 06:14:46 | FlynnnNT | Bye! :( |
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| 15:59:17 | raptor | good morning! |
| 16:02:19 | kodaws | good evening! |
| 16:02:58 | kodaws | what library did you use for windows updater? or is it self hosted? |
| 16:03:06 | raptor | GUP |
| 16:03:10 | raptor | hi |
| 16:03:51 | kodaws | http://gup-win32.tuxfamily.org/ |
| 16:03:54 | raptor | yes |
| 16:03:56 | kodaws | seems nice project |
| 16:04:05 | raptor | watusimoto: did all the work with adapting it |
| 16:04:22 | raptor | I think I mentioned it once to nemo in #hedgewars |
| 16:05:38 | kodaws | oh it's the one powering notepad++ |
| 16:13:59 | watusimoto | hi |
| 16:14:07 | watusimoto | interesting... I didn't know gup had its own page |
| 16:14:26 | raptor | it does now! |
| 16:14:27 | watusimoto | I ripped it out of some software I was using at one point |
| 16:14:59 | watusimoto | but definitely by Don Ho |
| 16:15:05 | watusimoto | I remember that name clearly |
| 16:15:09 | raptor | ha |
| 16:15:22 | watusimoto | ah yes, notepad++ |
| 16:15:25 | watusimoto | that was it |
| 16:15:36 | watusimoto | long since removed from my machine |
| 16:16:22 | watusimoto | long live sublime! |
| 16:16:30 | raptor | haha |
| 16:18:34 | kodaws | sublime? |
| 16:22:54 | watusimoto | my current favorite editor |
| 16:23:09 | watusimoto | http://www.sublimetext.com/ |
| 16:23:38 | watusimoto | multi-selections are the best editor feature. really really nice |
| 16:23:53 | watusimoto | and you should know I am *very* picky about text editor |
| 16:23:54 | watusimoto | s |
| 16:24:06 | kodaws | requires a licence! |
| 16:24:09 | kodaws | not opensource! |
| 16:24:09 | watusimoto | yes |
| 16:24:11 | kodaws | fail |
| 16:24:11 | watusimoto | no |
| 16:24:16 | kodaws | :D |
| 16:24:29 | watusimoto | maybe when textmate 2.0 starts working... |
| 16:24:35 | watusimoto | *if* it starts working... |
| 16:25:00 | kodaws | gvim fir windows :p |
| 16:25:15 | watusimoto | I'll use open source when I can, but I cannot abide by a crappy text editor |
| 16:25:22 | watusimoto | sublime has a vim mode |
| 16:25:39 | kodaws | ok screw notepad++ then |
| 16:25:44 | kodaws | you got me at vim |
| 16:25:46 | kodaws | :D |
| 16:26:03 | watusimoto | I gave notepad++ an honest try. I really wanted to like it. |
| 16:27:40 | watusimoto | and I did stick with gup |
| 16:27:56 | watusimoto | which I think I renamed to bfup when I hacked it into bitfighter |
| 16:28:59 | raptor | bfup |
| 16:29:08 | raptor | yes |
| 16:29:17 | watusimoto | very pronouncable |
| 16:29:27 | raptor | i'm a poor linux user with too many editors that have all those features |
| 16:29:48 | watusimoto | who has multiselections? |
| 16:30:17 | watusimoto | these have completely replaced macros for me |
| 16:30:37 | raptor | define multiselections? highlight+replace one word, replace all instances? |
| 16:31:24 | raptor | or block selection? |
| 16:32:39 | kodaws | xcode has |
| 16:32:51 | watusimoto | select entire file (ctrl-A) break that down into lines (ctrl+shift+L). Now you have a cursor at the end of every line. Hit home, now you have a cursor at the beginning of every line. Hit Ctrl-Right, now the first word of every line is selected. Hit delete. All gone. Hit ctrl-right again to select the second word of every line. Ctrl-X to move to clipboard. Ctrl-right again, then ctrl-V to paste selection. Words can all be different lengths. |
| 16:33:50 | watusimoto | You can have multiple cursors that all respond to input at the same time, each behaving like an independent cursor would. |
| 16:33:57 | raptor | huh, well the first half of that several have (with block selection) |
| 16:34:14 | raptor | but the rest... that's neat! |
| 16:34:15 | watusimoto | yes, but you could have 3 cursors on the same line if you wanted |
| 16:34:37 | raptor | eclipse does some of that... but eclipse is a beast |
| 16:34:39 | watusimoto | you can select every occurance of a token and put your cursor there |
| 16:34:50 | watusimoto | and modify all the tokens at once |
| 16:35:06 | raptor | ah... that's a feature i've been using for years with eclipse (and can do it with a plugin in kate) |
| 16:35:20 | raptor | i think vc++ removed that on purpose for the free edition.. |
| 16:36:04 | watusimoto | so last night, when editing sbot, I looked for every instance of ObjType., and put a cursor after each . THen I hit ctrl-right to skip over a word, then backspace 4 times to delete the word Type that came at the end of each ObjType.xxxxType token |
| 16:36:07 | watusimoto | if that makes sense |
| 16:36:15 | watusimoto | took me 30 seconds to fix every instance in sbot |
| 16:36:43 | raptor | yep |
| 16:36:56 | raptor | makes refactoring simple |
| 16:37:00 | watusimoto | yes |
| 16:37:17 | watusimoto | alright, I've said enough about it |
| 16:39:48 | raptor | :) |
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| 16:40:27 | watusimoto | oh look... my kids are playing games! |
| 16:40:41 | raptor | heh |
| 16:40:49 | watusimoto | they'll tell me they started at 6:15 when I get home |
| 16:41:03 | watusimoto | but I know better... |
| 16:41:48 | raptor | haha |
| 16:48:42 | kodaws | it would be nice to have a single library for gup and sparkle |
| 16:48:42 | kodaws | maybe some wrapping could be done |
| 16:56:17 | raptor | a cross-platform update mechanism? |
| 16:57:31 | raptor | we'd probably have to build our own... or use java |
| 17:00:42 | watusimoto | is there no cross platform lib available? |
| 17:01:35 | watusimoto | sparkle is mac only, right? gup is win only |
| 17:02:31 | raptor | there are cross-platform update solutions... but they're $$$ and usually written in Java |
| 17:02:41 | raptor | but i haven't checked in a while.. |
| 17:03:33 | raptor | sinec they're usually java, that means we'd have to bundle a JVM (10-50MB) |
| 17:06:04 | raptor | not finding much.. |
| 17:06:23 | watusimoto | I wonder if this can use the same server config as sparkle |
| 17:06:24 | watusimoto | http://winsparkle.org/ |
| 17:06:40 | watusimoto | I know I looked at this long ago, don't remember what I concluded |
| 17:08:03 | watusimoto | it does not close the running app -- just downloads and launches the installer |
| 17:08:22 | watusimoto | bfup at least will close bitfighter making the installation easier |
| 17:12:59 | raptor | looks like it uses the same format as the mac sparkle |
| 17:13:45 | raptor | but yeah, it is just a launcher |
| 17:18:06 | watusimoto | bfup does it all |
| 17:18:17 | watusimoto | maybe we could change bfup to talk sparkle-talk |
| 17:18:18 | raptor | which is perfect |
| 17:18:22 | raptor | well |
| 17:18:36 | raptor | i already made the endpoint serve up the proper xml for each |
| 17:18:41 | raptor | which was easiest |
| 17:18:48 | watusimoto | that's what we're discussing, right? how to have one server side thingy |
| 17:19:02 | watusimoto | which maybe you already built via meta thingy |
| 17:19:07 | watusimoto | words not working for me |
| 17:19:12 | raptor | i thought we were discussing a similar client-side thingy... |
| 17:19:16 | raptor | :) |
| 17:19:21 | watusimoto | well, ok then! |
| 17:19:27 | raptor | so go here: http://bitfighter.org/files/getDownloadUrl.php |
| 17:19:31 | raptor | (view source) |
| 17:19:39 | watusimoto | now that we're all talking about different things... |
| 17:20:01 | watusimoto | yes |
| 17:20:16 | watusimoto | what could be simpler than that? |
| 17:20:25 | raptor | now go here: http://bitfighter.org/files/getDownloadUrl.php?requester=sparkle |
| 17:20:54 | raptor | yay php ugly h4x0r-ing |
| 17:21:06 | watusimoto | no download url in there? |
| 17:21:12 | raptor | view source |
| 17:21:33 | watusimoto | nice |
| 17:22:11 | watusimoto | so those both get loaded via your script |
| 17:22:32 | raptor | yes getDownloadUrl.php does all the magic |
| 17:22:41 | watusimoto | great |
| 17:22:58 | raptor | i still need to figure out how to tell the different mac architectures so the different mac builds get served up - but that shouldn't be too hard... |
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| 17:25:14 | watusimoto | so tonight I start on bug fixing |
| 17:25:20 | watusimoto | and shortening the list |
| 17:25:33 | raptor | YES! |
| 17:25:54 | raptor | amgine said s_bot worked on all gametypes, i think |
| 17:26:03 | watusimoto | sounds like I fixed it rigth |
| 17:26:31 | watusimoto | by sublime-fu working at full power |
| 17:26:34 | watusimoto | :-) |
| 17:26:42 | raptor | hehe |
| 17:26:45 | raptor | did you buy it? |
| 17:26:58 | watusimoto | I got a license through work |
| 17:27:05 | raptor | good deal! |
| 17:27:21 | watusimoto | but the unlicensed version only nags once or twice a day, even at heavy usage |
| 17:27:34 | watusimoto | so I haven't even upgraded all my machines yet |
| 17:27:56 | watusimoto | but I had been looking for a good text editor literally for years |
| 17:28:09 | watusimoto | ever since textpad gave up the ghost |
| 17:28:49 | raptor | i'm actually suprised they do global symbol editing with such a small binary size.. |
| 17:29:05 | raptor | that's IDE stuff - which are in the 100s of MB |
| 17:29:19 | watusimoto | it doesn't do symbol editing per se |
| 17:29:22 | watusimoto | only text editing |
| 17:29:25 | raptor | yes |
| 17:29:38 | raptor | that's what i meant |
| 17:58:38 | watusimoto | ok, time to head home and put an end to the game playing |
| 17:58:45 | raptor | haha |
| 17:58:48 | raptor | later |
| 17:59:11 | watusimoto | but daddy, we've only been playing for 15 minutes |
| 17:59:13 | watusimoto | I can hear it now |
| 17:59:26 | raptor | hahaha |
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| 17:59:50 | Little_Apple | helloo |
| 17:59:54 | raptor | hi Little_Apple |
| 18:00:09 | Little_Apple | im having a problem with bitfighter... |
| 18:00:25 | raptor | great! |
| 18:00:49 | Little_Apple | gonna see if it happens again.. |
| 18:00:59 | Little_Apple | oh hey it worked. |
| 18:01:01 | Little_Apple | nevermind. |
| 18:01:24 | raptor | ? |
| 18:01:25 | Little_Apple | but the problem i was having was a message coming up about conflicting id's or something |
| 18:01:29 | raptor | so problem solved! |
| 18:01:44 | raptor | thank you thank you i'm here all day |
| 18:01:52 | Little_Apple | lol |
| 18:01:54 | raptor | ahh... about joining a server? |
| 18:02:02 | Little_Apple | the master server i think |
| 18:02:10 | raptor | i've hit that once before... |
| 18:02:20 | Little_Apple | it said the connection request was rejected because of a duplicate id or something |
| 18:02:27 | raptor | and couldn't ever duplicate.. |
| 18:02:33 | raptor | yeah |
| 18:02:50 | raptor | let me see... |
| 18:02:58 | Little_Apple | ok i know what the problem was.. |
| 18:03:04 | raptor | you do? |
| 18:03:10 | Little_Apple | i was trying to open an older version of the game. |
| 18:03:22 | Little_Apple | *delete* |
| 18:03:25 | Little_Apple | problem solved. |
| 18:03:29 | raptor | ha |
| 18:03:36 | FlynnnNT | I literally just had portal 2 flashbacks |
| 18:03:51 | FlynnnNT | and for some reason my client is insisting upon renaming me FlynnnNT |
| 18:03:54 | Little_Apple | the best solution to a problem is usually the easiest. |
| 18:04:01 | | FlynnnNT is now known as Flynn |
| 18:04:03 | Little_Apple | and lets be honest. killing you, is hard. |
| 18:04:20 | Flynn | hahaha |
| 18:04:34 | raptor | haha |
| 18:04:40 | Little_Apple | yea i have portal 2 right next to my left hand... |
| 18:04:43 | Flynn | poor glados deleting her humanity :( |
| 18:05:01 | Flynn | ahem |
| 18:05:04 | Flynn | spoiler alert |
| 18:05:06 | Flynn | for that last message |
| 18:05:08 | Flynn | that I already sent |
| 18:05:13 | Little_Apple | haha |
| 18:05:29 | raptor | nooooooo |
| 18:05:34 | raptor | i have been spoiled |
| 18:05:40 | Little_Apple | i bought the collector's edition for the soundtrack.. |
| 18:05:40 | Flynn | oh god... |
| 18:05:43 | Flynn | what have I done |
| 18:05:46 | raptor | actually i'd need a windows computer first |
| 18:05:52 | raptor | i haven't even played the first one.. |
| 18:05:53 | Little_Apple | oh~! |
| 18:06:01 | Flynn | oh I see |
| 18:06:01 | Little_Apple | heres some valve news you should like raptor |
| 18:06:12 | Little_Apple | gabe is having steam come to linux |
| 18:06:20 | raptor | yes, i've been following their linux development |
| 18:06:23 | Flynn | Nice! raptor can play pooortla now :) |
| 18:06:30 | Flynn | or well |
| 18:06:32 | Flynn | eventually |
| 18:06:33 | Little_Apple | im not sure if they ported that yet |
| 18:06:40 | Little_Apple | or should i say |
| 18:06:41 | raptor | they don't.. |
| 18:06:43 | Little_Apple | portaled |
| 18:06:47 | Flynn | haha |
| 18:06:55 | Flynn | speaking of ports I am ahving a macports nightmare |
| 18:07:02 | raptor | heh |
| 18:07:06 | raptor | macports is a nightmare |
| 18:07:07 | Flynn | been trying to three days to install kdenlive |
| 18:07:12 | Little_Apple | oh raptor |
| 18:07:14 | Flynn | ** for |
| 18:07:22 | Flynn | lol raptor |
| 18:07:28 | Little_Apple | if they ever have a linux event with a promo item in tf2 |
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| 18:07:35 | Little_Apple | i will need to get that item. |
| 18:08:05 | Little_Apple | sam's server down? |
| 18:08:15 | raptor | yeah, it's been down for a couple days |
| 18:08:16 | Flynn | would running your computer off a linux bootable image work? |
| 18:08:27 | raptor | he got a new computer and has been busy |
| 18:08:35 | raptor | Flynn: yes |
| 18:08:40 | raptor | but if you want to install anything |
| 18:08:47 | Little_Apple | is there a good linux emulator for mac? ._. |
| 18:08:48 | raptor | you'd have to install the linux system to your harddisk |
| 18:08:54 | Flynn | drah |
| 18:09:12 | raptor | Little_Apple: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads |
| 18:09:25 | raptor | you can use virtual box to make a virtual machine |
| 18:09:42 | Little_Apple | oh interesting.. |
| 18:10:04 | Little_Apple | do you just give it an OS or something? |
| 18:10:11 | Flynn | I've had bad exeperinces with virtualbox, but probably as I was tryign to run windows |
| 18:10:20 | Flynn | worth a shot as it's free |
| 18:10:24 | raptor | you create a 'machine' with it, give it a virtual CD drive, disk, etc... |
| 18:10:36 | Flynn | but if it doesn't work, you can probbly get a free trial of vmware, or of paralells, both are good software |
| 18:10:47 | raptor | then you download a linux ISO (disc in a file) and boot the virtual machine with it |
| 18:10:56 | Little_Apple | is it something someone as ignorant in programming as me could use? |
| 18:11:11 | raptor | you don't need programming, but you do need some figure-it-out skills |
| 18:11:13 | Flynn | virtual box is not very programmy : D |
| 18:11:18 | Little_Apple | oh good! |
| 18:11:35 | raptor | you would use the one for 'OS X hosts' |
| 18:11:43 | Little_Apple | oh raptor |
| 18:11:46 | raptor | host = main machine; guest = virtual machine you create |
| 18:12:28 | raptor | hello |
| 18:12:32 | Little_Apple | do you think you could get bitfighter on steam for the linux compatibility thing? |
| 18:12:40 | raptor | ha |
| 18:12:45 | raptor | maybe |
| 18:12:55 | Little_Apple | i think it would be good for getting new players |
| 18:13:05 | raptor | we're using the same framework that they're working on (SDL) |
| 18:13:19 | Little_Apple | i think it would be a great step forward |
| 18:13:47 | Flynn | I know minecraft was thinking about steam when they first started but decided not to for some reason |
| 18:13:47 | raptor | yes, probably... but i'm not sure they allow free games |
| 18:13:54 | Little_Apple | they do |
| 18:13:55 | raptor | desura, maybe |
| 18:13:57 | raptor | they do? |
| 18:14:04 | Little_Apple | i think they would |
| 18:14:04 | Flynn | although I do think it was financial, and this is a free game, so it may not be important |
| 18:14:11 | Little_Apple | at least they allow f2p games |
| 18:14:37 | Flynn | lol let people buy a rainbow ship for one dollar or something if need be |
| 18:14:47 | Little_Apple | or a nyan cat ship. |
| 18:14:55 | Flynn | that too, that too |
| 18:14:59 | Flynn | although that's worth at least three |
| 18:15:01 | Little_Apple | maybe a pink phaser |
| 18:15:09 | Flynn | that woudl be interesting |
| 18:15:17 | Flynn | raptor is like |
| 18:15:21 | Little_Apple | even though its really close to pink already |
| 18:15:22 | raptor | ok now you're going off the deep end... |
| 18:15:27 | Flynn | "rainbows? why must htey discuss such sickening concepts" |
| 18:15:37 | Little_Apple | hahaha |
| 18:15:54 | Little_Apple | maybe the level maker could be a paid expansion |
| 18:16:10 | Little_Apple | just so there arent as many terribly thrown together levels |
| 18:16:15 | Flynn | or maybe bitfighter could have some payed map packs |
| 18:16:24 | Little_Apple | so that the people that buy it will put more effort into the levels |
| 18:16:36 | Flynn | althoguh the problem is it's open source |
| 18:16:43 | Flynn | does steam allow open source projects? |
| 18:17:01 | Flynn | better to sel lcontent than something that can be hacked in with an IDE |
| 18:17:27 | Flynn | anyways I am done being a peanut gallery |
| 18:17:36 | Little_Apple | because i think that atm its a little too easy to manke a bunch of cruddy levels and make a server thats full of junk levels and that could be bad for new players trying out the game |
| 18:17:39 | Flynn | raptor's silence is a pretty good indicator we are not talking his language |
| 18:18:33 | Little_Apple | maybe it should just be a separate app... |
| 18:18:43 | Little_Apple | rather than a paid expansion |
| 18:18:49 | Flynn | mnot ot mention, my opinion is not exactly warranted considering my usual absence lol |
| 18:19:33 | raptor | ok ok |
| 18:19:37 | raptor | back |
| 18:19:40 | Little_Apple | ah |
| 18:19:41 | Little_Apple | hello |
| 18:19:47 | raptor | ummm... i'd say let's file this for the future... |
| 18:19:47 | Flynn | I take that back about hte language thing then lol |
| 18:19:53 | Flynn | I take back my take back |
| 18:20:01 | Little_Apple | okok raptor |
| 18:20:02 | raptor | actually |
| 18:20:07 | Flynn | LOL raptor |
| 18:20:08 | Little_Apple | just a note |
| 18:21:14 | Little_Apple | because of how easy and user friendly the level editor is it can make it so that there are a lot of just junk levels and you have to dig really deep just to find a good level |
| 18:21:33 | Little_Apple | especially when theres an in game level gallery |
| 18:21:48 | Flynn | there is an ingame level gallery now? |
| 18:21:50 | Little_Apple | i've seen this in ios games with level editors |
| 18:21:52 | Flynn | of custom levels by others? |
| 18:21:53 | Little_Apple | not now |
| 18:22:11 | Little_Apple | but there is a level list in servers |
| 18:22:42 | Little_Apple | case and point: my level retarded duck |
| 18:23:07 | Flynn | retarded duck... |
| 18:23:09 | Little_Apple | yep. |
| 18:23:21 | Flynn | what an interesting name |
| 18:23:26 | Little_Apple | i can host it lol |
| 18:23:36 | Flynn | I dont't have a recent version of bitfighter xD |
| 18:23:41 | Flynn | let me download one |
| 18:23:44 | Little_Apple | k |
| 18:24:23 | Little_Apple | oh wait.. |
| 18:24:29 | Little_Apple | its on another computer |
| 18:24:31 | Little_Apple | rats |
| 18:24:47 | Flynn | you have made me download pointlessly! |
| 18:24:51 | Flynn | you will pay for your insolence! |
| 18:24:59 | Flynn | WITH CHEESE |
| 18:25:03 | Little_Apple | AHA MY PLAN HAS SUCCEEDED |
| 18:25:03 | Flynn | as I like cheese |
| 18:25:10 | Flynn | Nooooo! |
| 18:25:18 | Little_Apple | yes! yes! |
| 18:25:24 | Flynn | how could you betray me like this |
| 18:25:26 | Flynn | I trusted you |
| 18:25:39 | Little_Apple | i would honestly take it all back. |
| 18:25:45 | Little_Apple | and i am genuinely sorry. |
| 18:25:47 | Little_Apple | the end. |
| 18:25:56 | Flynn | i forgive you |
| 18:26:04 | Little_Apple | SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE |
| 18:26:04 | Flynn | *barney theme song* |
| 18:26:37 | Little_Apple | Y U NO GET WHEATLEY QUOTE |
| 18:26:40 | Flynn | meanwhile I am sure we are now both viewed as insane by anyone unlucky enough to observe this encounter lol |
| 18:26:52 | Flynn | haha space, I love portal |
| 18:27:24 | Little_Apple | raptor |
| 18:27:28 | raptor | hi |
| 18:27:43 | Little_Apple | have you ever made a game from scratch? |
| 18:27:56 | Little_Apple | (not reffering to the application scratch) |
| 18:29:29 | Little_Apple | flynn ever play tf2? |
| 18:29:55 | raptor | sure - i've programmed some simple counting games for some computer classes |
| 18:30:01 | raptor | but nothing so enormous as bitfighter |
| 18:30:04 | Little_Apple | ah |
| 18:30:26 | Flynn | I once tried to |
| 18:30:35 | Flynn | but the lag was too much for my small computer |
| 18:30:57 | Flynn | do you have an area of interest in programming, raptor? |
| 18:30:59 | Little_Apple | i have ideas for games but am either too lazy to learn to program or i have no way of learning |
| 18:31:51 | raptor | not really an area of interest |
| 18:31:56 | raptor | i like to solve problems, and create |
| 18:32:05 | Flynn | same way here |
| 18:32:09 | raptor | i actually sometimes hate programming |
| 18:32:15 | Flynn | usually my area of interest is whatever I havent' learned |
| 18:32:24 | raptor | like i'm not really passionate about it, but it can be fun |
| 18:32:31 | Flynn | oh I see |
| 18:32:36 | Flynn | so, what are you passionate about? |
| 18:32:51 | Little_Apple | flynn if you ever are able to play tf2 try not to end up like this guy. http://www.pcgamesn.com/tf2/28000-team-fortress-2-backpack |
| 18:32:52 | raptor | i'm not actually sure... |
| 18:32:55 | raptor | ice cream? |
| 18:33:01 | Flynn | haha! |
| 18:33:08 | Flynn | (@raptor) |
| 18:33:12 | Flynn | let me look at that link |
| 18:33:17 | Little_Apple | k |
| 18:33:22 | Flynn | mother of god |
| 18:33:37 | Little_Apple | yep. |
| 18:33:44 | Flynn | how much money is one person willing to put into a game |
| 18:33:53 | Flynn | he could have bought a small team of programmers with that |
| 18:34:12 | Little_Apple | yep. |
| 18:34:28 | Flynn | oh I see |
| 18:34:31 | Flynn | he's been trading them |
| 18:34:34 | Little_Apple | that guy has the highest value backpack in the entire game |
| 18:34:44 | Flynn | wowie |
| 18:34:48 | Flynn | master trader there |
| 18:34:53 | Little_Apple | actually |
| 18:35:12 | Little_Apple | some of the hats say they were "support granted" |
| 18:35:23 | Flynn | no idea what hat means |
| 18:35:28 | Little_Apple | so i think he got some of that hats by questionable means |
| 18:35:32 | Little_Apple | hats as in hats |
| 18:35:36 | Little_Apple | like you wear on your head. |
| 18:35:43 | Flynn | no idea what support granted means |
| 18:35:57 | Flynn | :S |
| 18:36:02 | Little_Apple | tf2 is basically a hat simulator |
| 18:36:06 | Flynn | lol |
| 18:36:39 | Little_Apple | it has its own crazy virtual economy with trading |
| 18:37:06 | Flynn | I see |
| 18:37:16 | Little_Apple | its like a black market almost |
| 18:37:39 | Little_Apple | basically what makes that guy's backpack so valuable is the hats he has |
| 18:37:52 | Flynn | goodness |
| 18:38:01 | Flynn | the fashion business is expensive you know |
| 18:38:14 | Little_Apple | its... |
| 18:38:18 | Little_Apple | oh its hard to explain. |
| 18:38:28 | Flynn | I Was joking |
| 18:38:32 | Flynn | I know what a TF2 hat is |
| 18:38:37 | Flynn | It was a pun |
| 18:38:45 | Little_Apple | do you know what an unusual hat is? |
| 18:39:02 | Flynn | a hat which is unusual? xD |
| 18:39:19 | raptor | it's snowing! |
| 18:39:23 | Little_Apple | its an extremely rare hat you can only get by unboxing |
| 18:39:24 | Flynn | nice! |
| 18:39:31 | Little_Apple | er |
| 18:39:34 | Little_Apple | a type of hat |
| 18:39:38 | Flynn | I haven o idea what unboxing is |
| 18:39:50 | Little_Apple | uuugh i cant explain all of this.. |
| 18:39:51 | Flynn | unless you mean hacking the game |
| 18:39:57 | Flynn | alrighty then |
| 18:39:59 | Little_Apple | you'll find out if you ever play it. |
| 18:40:02 | Flynn | end of conversation I guess lol |
| 18:40:06 | Flynn | anywho |
| 18:40:10 | Little_Apple | and no its not hacking lol |
| 18:40:46 | Little_Apple | so wait.. |
| 18:40:50 | Little_Apple | you played portal? |
| 18:40:54 | Flynn | yes |
| 18:41:04 | Little_Apple | but your computer cant handle tf2? |
| 18:41:16 | Flynn | considering the levels alone ook two hours to download |
| 18:41:20 | Flynn | when portal its self took two hours |
| 18:41:21 | Flynn | yes |
| 18:41:27 | Flynn | that's two hours each |
| 18:41:32 | Little_Apple | ummmmm |
| 18:41:43 | Flynn | and tbh 10 fps is not enoguh tfor me to play a first person shooter |
| 18:41:58 | Flynn | I had to turn all of the graphics setitngs down on portal to their minimum |
| 18:41:59 | Little_Apple | lol |
| 18:42:02 | Flynn | and I managed to get 15 fps |
| 18:42:14 | Flynn | which is BARELY enough to play portal as it is not action based primarily |
| 18:42:17 | Little_Apple | what kind of computer do you have? |
| 18:42:32 | Flynn | old mac from... I think it wwas 2008 or 2010 |
| 18:42:36 | Little_Apple | ah |
| 18:42:41 | Little_Apple | im on an eMac |
| 18:42:46 | Little_Apple | g4. |
| 18:42:49 | Flynn | plus it's a laptop |
| 18:42:52 | Little_Apple | ah |
| 18:43:03 | Flynn | so no high power fancy graphics cars |
| 18:43:05 | Flynn | ** cards |
| 18:43:09 | Flynn | listen, tf2 is laggy |
| 18:43:14 | Flynn | portal is slightly less laggy and playable |
| 18:43:21 | Flynn | I have a crapload of stuff installed on my computer |
| 18:43:26 | Little_Apple | the tf2 halloween event finishes up today i think |
| 18:43:33 | Flynn | I literally ahve around 400 applications |
| 18:43:37 | Flynn | and I ahve used 300 of them |
| 18:43:40 | Flynn | no |
| 18:43:41 | Flynn | 375 |
| 18:43:44 | Flynn | no... |
| 18:43:45 | Little_Apple | get some extra RAM? |
| 18:43:48 | Flynn | some of them were failed builds |
| 18:44:02 | Little_Apple | clear some hard disk space? |
| 18:44:28 | Flynn | I can't play tf2 |
| 18:44:33 | Flynn | I can't afford a graphics card |
| 18:44:35 | Little_Apple | i know i know |
| 18:44:40 | Flynn | ** ram card sorry |
| 18:44:45 | Little_Apple | but still |
| 18:44:52 | Flynn | seriously |
| 18:45:01 | Little_Apple | is it maxed out? |
| 18:45:17 | Flynn | most of the time yes |
| 18:45:24 | Little_Apple | woohoo |
| 18:45:49 | Flynn | though my CPU is not always maxed out |
| 18:45:51 | Flynn | or is it |
| 18:45:56 | Flynn | I don't really know |
| 18:46:09 | Flynn | I ahve a dual core so I can never tell if it's telling me that 50% or 100% of both of my cpus is being used |
| 18:46:24 | Flynn | it certianly always seems to go above 100% as well which makes no sense |
| 18:46:25 | Little_Apple | k |
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| 18:47:00 | Little_Apple | i leave now! |
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| 18:47:25 | Flynn | so what exactly do you do for a living ,raptor? |
| 18:47:31 | Flynn | I've caught chats about work etc |
| 18:47:36 | Flynn | but I've never really found out whaty our job is |
| 18:47:41 | raptor | hi |
| 18:47:45 | Flynn | helo :) |
| 18:47:46 | Flynn | ** hello |
| 18:47:49 | raptor | I'm a programmer at Novell |
| 18:47:58 | Flynn | Oh, nice! |
| 18:48:07 | raptor | internal - mostly keep old systems running |
| 18:48:12 | Flynn | loll |
| 18:48:14 | Flynn | ** lol |
| 18:48:32 | Flynn | still that's actually probably one of hte harder jobs out there |
| 18:48:51 | Flynn | do you enjoy working for htem? |
| 18:52:19 | raptor | it's a good job and they've treated me and my family well |
| 18:52:27 | Flynn | that's good |
| 18:52:33 | Flynn | I;m glad to hear that |
| 18:52:51 | Flynn | that's pretty coo lwhat you do for a living, must require alot of design sense to keep things from falling apart |
| 18:53:58 | raptor | a bit |
| 18:54:10 | raptor | the best part is when you get to build something new. |
| 18:54:18 | Flynn | hehehe |
| 18:54:21 | raptor | (for me) |
| 18:54:34 | Flynn | do they have you update older systems with new features? |
| 18:55:17 | raptor | sometimes yes, but usually just fix bugs |
| 18:55:57 | Flynn | I see |
| 18:56:35 | Flynn | do you repair newell's internal systems or does newell offer soem sort of system management service that you are a part of? |
| 18:57:04 | raptor | internal systems |
| 18:57:29 | raptor | mostly systems that manage information, like information on customers, or on the software that Novell sells |
| 18:57:36 | Flynn | interesting! |
| 18:57:50 | Flynn | that's meta |
| 18:57:56 | Flynn | a programmer |
| 18:57:58 | Flynn | managing a system |
| 18:58:05 | Flynn | which manages other programmers and other systems |
| 18:58:36 | Flynn | I'm just sorry to hear you aren't passionate about it |
| 18:58:46 | Flynn | I hope you do find what you are passionate about |
| 18:59:51 | Flynn | still it's good they treat you nicely over there |
| 19:00:05 | Flynn | do you work on any projects beyond bitfighter in your spare time? |
| 19:00:11 | raptor | sometimes, yes |
| 19:00:18 | raptor | i actually do linux packaging, too |
| 19:00:23 | Flynn | really! |
| 19:00:29 | raptor | i package hedgewars, naev |
| 19:00:36 | raptor | two other games |
| 19:00:42 | Flynn | hehe i see I see |
| 19:00:47 | raptor | i've contributed a tiny bit to both |
| 19:00:52 | Flynn | and linux packaging, that's where you do compilation to linux? |
| 19:00:57 | raptor | and stolen code for bitfighter :) |
| 19:01:00 | raptor | yes |
| 19:01:00 | Flynn | hehe that;s good, elave your mark on the game |
| 19:01:07 | Flynn | hehehehehe sneaky programmer |
| 19:01:40 | Flynn | haha edgewars is epic! |
| 19:01:43 | Flynn | ** hedge |
| 19:02:24 | Flynn | huh. I am not sure I've seen such a complicated arsenal game, this is pretty cool |
| 19:03:08 | raptor | yeah hedgewars is really fun - koda (who shows up here sometimes) is one of their main developers |
| 19:03:17 | Flynn | really |
| 19:03:20 | raptor | he's helped us out with some mac issues |
| 19:03:46 | raptor | yeah, there's this sub-sub culture of open source game programmers who have a main game, then like to float around and help others out |
| 19:06:01 | Flynn | hehehe |
| 19:06:06 | Flynn | that's really quite interesting |
| 19:08:23 | Flynn | do you guys have an issue tracker somewhere? |
| 19:08:43 | Flynn | I doubt I'll ever find the time in my mind to do anything, but contributing somethign small has been on my mind lately |
| 19:09:02 | Flynn | knowing something that is wanted to be done would certainly help hehe |
| 19:10:53 | raptor | we've been keeping approved features here: http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/list |
| 19:10:58 | raptor | some bugs there, too |
| 19:11:05 | Flynn | cool, thankyou! |
| 19:11:17 | Flynn | I'll have a look at that, see if there is anythign within my abilities hehe |
| 19:11:26 | raptor | ok |
| 19:12:02 | raptor | all right, i have to get back to work for bit... i'll be idling still |
| 19:27:33 | Flynn | See you, raptor! |
| 19:27:47 | Flynn | good talking to you :) |
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| 23:48:36 | raptor | i was going to ask something... then i forgot |
| 23:48:44 | raptor | must be getting to the end of the work day... |