#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2013-06-24

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09:19:59 raptor good day!
09:20:12 kaen greetings
09:20:31 watusimoto hey o
09:20:39 raptor dangling pointers!
09:20:53 kaen my VPS apparently got restored the other day. I almost got to complete an ssh connection before they took it back down again :<
09:21:00 kaen nice fix btw, raptor
09:21:04 kaen sorry for the trouble :x
09:21:11 raptor oh...  no worries
09:21:30 raptor actually i was talking about another problem...  which I think I forgot to CC you on the e-mail (sorry)
09:22:25 raptor ok sent
09:24:18 raptor watusimoto: it strikes me that deleting the proxies via another method would still leave the objects in the LuaW cache table
09:25:02 raptor maybe that doesn't matter...
09:25:19 raptor also, i've already tried using  bfobject -> setLuaProxy(NULL) to clear out the copied pointer in the undo state.  It never clears for some reason
09:25:33 watusimoto you are probably right that it would leave the items in the cache table
09:25:41 watusimoto maybe we can clear that out as well
09:25:57 watusimoto actually, maybe we only need to clear that out
09:26:17 watusimoto because removing items from the cache table will delete the proxies, no?
09:26:33 raptor proxies are only deleted when _gc is called
09:27:08 watusimoto we could remove the cache table and force garbage collection
09:27:32 raptor but that still leaves the dangling pointer in the copied BfObjects
09:28:03 watusimoto I don't think so.. what is the order of operations here?
09:28:10 watusimoto 1) initiate script
09:28:21 watusimoto 2) create undo state
09:28:27 raptor 1.1 add bfobject to main GridDatabase
09:28:43 raptor ok back up
09:28:46 watusimoto where does bfobject come from?
09:28:50 raptor this happanes when you do 'undo()'
09:28:55 watusimoto no
09:28:55 raptor *happens
09:29:01 watusimoto I'm thinking when you first run a script
09:29:05 raptor oh
09:29:08 watusimoto before that there are no proxies
09:29:12 raptor correct
09:29:14 watusimoto so you hit ctrl-; or whatever
09:29:14 raptor ok
09:29:19 watusimoto 2) create undo state
09:29:25 raptor yes
09:29:30 watusimoto 3) do scripty things, creating objects and perhaps some proxies
09:29:35 raptor yes
09:29:41 watusimoto 4) terminate script
09:29:49 watusimoto 5) do something else in editor which...
09:29:55 watusimoto 5a) triggers undo state
09:30:06 raptor yep
09:30:08 watusimoto which 5b) creates copy of proxy pointer
09:30:12 raptor yes
09:30:15 watusimoto which 5c) sucks
09:30:16 watusimoto so
09:30:43 watusimoto after 4 we delete cache table and force gc, so there are now no more proxies to worry about when we get to 5)
09:31:12 raptor (we have another bug with _gc - it seems to only trigger on game exit)
09:31:31 watusimoto it should be triggered every time lua does its gc
09:32:51 raptor well, i've never seen it triggered until i shut the game down
09:34:20 watusimoto well, we could even brute force it; clobber the cache table then cycle through our objects and delete any proxies we find
09:34:26 watusimoto that's pretty ugly, though
09:34:56 watusimoto I'll bet forcing lua to do gc will be enough
09:35:35 raptor ok, i'll try that...
09:36:24 watusimoto the important thing, though, is making sure when the script is done that mProxy (or whatever) is NULL for every object we put in the database
09:36:56 raptor I tried to manually set that to NULL before the copy with  ->setLuaProxy(NULL)
09:36:58 watusimoto we could even assert that in the datbase itself
09:37:01 raptor that didn't work
09:37:13 raptor not sure why..
09:37:18 watusimoto actually, don';t assert that
09:37:49 watusimoto could a script have been resetting the proxy after you NULLed it?
09:38:35 raptor I don't know...  i put my check in saveUndoState() right before the copy was done
09:45:10 raptor awww man, one of my servers has a harddrive failure...
10:01:48 watusimoto that sucks!
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10:27:53 raptor yay, my back up is several months old
10:28:18 raptor  /sarcasm:  Unknown command
10:28:23 kaen hehe
10:28:49 raptor looks like my backup server was being rejected by SSH for a while...
10:28:52 raptor man
10:28:53 kaen in my client if you do //sarcasm it will print /sarcasm
10:28:56 kaen /sarcasm
10:29:03 raptor /sarcasm
10:29:06 kaen :)
10:29:06 raptor oh hey, cool
10:31:12 bobdaduck /sarcasm
10:31:54 bobdaduck At my work I mark things as "very complete" instead of just "complete"
10:38:43 bobdaduck DnD is "complete" but not "very complete"
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12:36:12 raptor i can't look at the proxy thing for a bit...  this server situation is taking my time  :-/
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14:06:02 bobdaduck levelgen:isCoordOccupied()
14:06:03 bobdaduck PLZ
14:12:17 raptor ?
14:13:38 bobdaduck Return an array of objects that are at the exact coord.
14:13:48 bobdaduck Or nil if its empty.
14:13:57 raptor use case?
14:14:31 bobdaduck Lets say I make a testitem when someone says "deployTest"
14:14:48 bobdaduck Lets say I don't want people putting sixty testItems as a trap in the same spot that will crash the server.
14:15:12 bobdaduck Or in a level I'm making right now, when someone goes over a zone it makes a spawnpoint at a spot
14:15:21 bobdaduck and I don't want people making a million spawnpoints in the same spot
14:15:40 bobdaduck So I would use it in place of declaring a global variable switch for each time I want to use the mechanic
14:16:08 raptor but a global switch is so easy and is super fast
14:16:23 bobdaduck If I'm going to be using this thing like twenty times in the level
14:16:29 raptor 20 switches!
14:16:30 bobdaduck twenty global switches is... Less than Ideal.
14:16:54 bobdaduck And I'd like the code to be...  What's the term?  Make it so I can use the code on different levels without having to make major changes.
14:17:11 raptor reusable
14:17:21 raptor well, there is a findGlobalObjects
14:17:44 bobdaduck No there isn't
14:17:46 bobdaduck not until 019
14:17:50 bobdaduck which is still like two months out
14:19:40 bobdaduck Or what if I want to fling a ship towards a wall
14:19:46 bobdaduck but only if there isn't something in the way?
14:23:19 raptor oh yeah..
14:23:34 raptor isn't there a pointCanSeePoint() ?
14:23:41 bobdaduck uh.
14:24:01 bobdaduck no.
14:29:12 raptor but toggles are so good!  and they save so much processing power!
14:33:29 bobdaduck And they mean I need 40 different IDs!
14:33:32 fordcars if (y == yOfObject) and (x == xOfObject) then     return false -----?
14:33:35 bobdaduck I'd really only use 2!
14:33:48 bobdaduck I don't have the object
14:34:05 fordcars oh lol
14:34:07 bobdaduck I want to get the object
14:34:08 bobdaduck xD
14:42:05 bobdaduck Why can't robots be instantiated from levelgen?
14:53:44 fordcars btw bot the zombie is nearly done
14:54:40 fordcars it's cool, it has lots of randoms events, so they won't all behave at the same time and in the same way
14:55:22 Watusimoto_ don't we have a function to find all objects at a location?
14:55:38 Watusimoto_ maybe that's only in the C++ side of things
14:56:46 bobdaduck There's definitely not that in lua.
14:56:55 bobdaduck ...because that's exactly what I'm asking for.
14:56:58 bobdaduck bot the zombie lol
14:57:23 raptor Watusimoto_: we have a findObjects variant in c++ that takes a Rect
14:57:34 bobdaduck The level to go with it is coming along as well
14:57:52 Watusimoto_ yes, that must be what I'm thinking of
14:58:11 Watusimoto_ we could expose that pretty easily if we wanted
14:58:48 Watusimoto_ I'd be willing to do it if it someone (i.e. bobdaduck) put it on the running bug list
14:59:03 bobdaduck yay
14:59:05 bobdaduck !butg
14:59:07 bobdaduck !bug
14:59:07 BFLogBot To enter a bug, please make sure it is reproducible and then go to http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/list | Also, see current running bug list: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Running_Bug_List
15:00:56 raptor bobdaduck: is always willing to add bugs
15:01:05 raptor err, i mean create bugs
15:01:10 raptor i mean, find bugs
15:01:15 bobdaduck build bugs.
15:01:21 bobdaduck I invent them.
15:08:19 fordcars hey kaen, is it normal that I add 0.0002 on each frame to 0.0001, and that at some point it will be ex: 0.00299999999999?
15:08:31 fordcars the 9s show up
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15:12:03 bobdaduck What are you doing?
15:13:00 fordcars :P it's the rate the zombies get faster
15:13:10 fordcars wanna see the bot?
15:14:35 bobdaduck yes
15:14:53 bobdaduck Dunno if I can join
15:14:57 bobdaduck We'll try it
15:15:12 fordcars oh ok hosting
15:15:20 fordcars and ignore the numbers in chat :P
15:23:02 bobdaduck its cool that it'll work across gametypes
15:23:29 fordcars yep :P
15:23:37 fordcars what will it be called?
15:23:42 fordcars Zombot!
15:23:50 fordcars Botbie!
15:23:54 fordcars lol
15:25:11 fordcars getGameTimeTotal() -- bots can get game time
15:26:55 bobdaduck bot the zombie
15:26:58 bobdaduck botdazombie
15:27:06 fordcars lol ok
15:27:44 bobdaduck Cool.  You should make it so that it hits .8 speed at 80% gametime.  And if you can, it'd be cool if the admin could set overtime where bots start going faster than the actual humans.
15:27:56 bobdaduck OH OH OH AND IF THE BOT KILLS SOMEONE IT SHOULD GET A SPEED BOOST
15:28:03 bobdaduck wait no that won't work
15:28:03 bobdaduck xD
15:29:11 fordcars LOL
15:29:58 fordcars what, you want admin to decide when bot hits .8 speed?
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15:30:13 bobdaduck getGameTimeTotal at the start of the game
15:30:22 bobdaduck and calculate how much to increase difficulty each tick off of that
15:30:35 fordcars yeah I know, but what does the admin do?
15:30:51 bobdaduck /addtime 10
15:31:04 bobdaduck And the bot will just keep increasing its speed past 1
15:31:12 fordcars oh kokokokok
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15:31:28 fordcars well I can get time remaining
15:31:43 fordcars calculate the rate on tick, so if it changes, the bot will ajust
15:32:05 bobdaduck you could just get time remaining at the beginning of the game
15:32:10 bobdaduck and never get it again
15:32:10 fordcars yeah
15:32:16 fordcars well if addtime 10
15:32:44 bobdaduck in a 20 minute game, extending it 10 minutes would theoretically mean the bot eventually reaches 1.5 speed
15:32:55 fordcars doesn't work...
15:33:02 Watusimoto_ found this oddly interesting
15:33:03 Watusimoto_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives
15:33:22 fordcars wow Watusimoto
15:33:24 bobdaduck Why doesn't it work?
15:34:04 fordcars remember, bots are players!!!!!!
15:34:08 fordcars 1 is max speed
15:34:48 fordcars wow, one way screws are cool!
15:34:58 bobdaduck What no
15:35:03 bobdaduck You can set s_bots speed to 2
15:35:20 bobdaduck host I'll show you
15:35:43 fordcars yeah but it won't go faster
15:37:35 bobdaduck bah!
15:38:23 fordcars ok so it will calculate each tick, it'll be cooler anyway
15:38:36 bobdaduck it will?
15:38:41 fordcars well maybe
15:39:06 fordcars if you add 1000 seconds, the bot will slow down and slowly speed up again
15:39:22 bobdaduck nah
15:39:24 fordcars or maybe I should just do it in main?
15:39:37 bobdaduck probably just in main and only do it once
15:39:42 fordcars okokokokokokokok
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15:52:24 fordcars can  bots get the fps?
15:57:00 fordcars later guys, gtg
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16:08:33 Watusimoto_ Good night, gentlemen
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16:12:07 BFLogBot Commit: 2e9ba914a846 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Render special indicator pointing out where loadout is displayed when showing relevant inline help item 
16:12:09 BFLogBot Commit: 033dd5667ae9 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Add placeholder for test 
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17:19:28 raptor howdy howdy
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18:54:01 raptor ok, running garbage collector right after running an editor plugin does not wipe the proxies..
18:54:08 raptor it doesn't even detect garbage...
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20:07:20 BFLogBot Commit: e2f522dc4281 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Remove some old comments 
20:39:26 raptor kaen: you around?
21:18:39 raptor I think we need some way to static cast any BfObject* to its underlying type (like WallItem or LoadoutZone)
21:25:49 raptor but that requires reflection and is only doable with RTTI  :(
21:25:55 raptor stink
21:35:30 BFLogBot Commit: 7d677622c168 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Rename method to make more sense 
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22:39:54 kaen raptor, I'm not sure I understand why you'd need that.
22:40:00 kaen sounds a lot like dynamic cast :x
22:40:08 raptor yes but compile time!
22:40:15 kaen ah I see
22:40:21 raptor ok, i'm just acting like a spoiled java brat
22:40:36 raptor oh and hello!
22:40:43 kaen hello :)
22:40:49 raptor anyways..  I just found a solution to my problem and sent an e-mail..
22:41:59 raptor but it feels so ugly
22:42:04 raptor blech
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22:45:20 Skybax Hi
22:45:28 raptor Skybax!
22:45:30 raptor hi
22:45:40 Skybax How've you guys been? lol
22:45:49 raptor good
22:45:57 fordcars wow Skybax!
22:46:10 Skybax Hi ford
22:46:29 raptor I played your 'Diode' level the other day - I thought it was clever
22:46:38 raptor or was it 'LED'
22:46:40 Skybax Mine?
22:46:44 raptor yes, i think so
22:46:51 Skybax LED sounds more familiar than Diode
22:46:55 raptor LED, yes
22:46:57 raptor clever
22:47:02 Skybax Thanks :3
22:47:04 raptor because it had diodes
22:47:06 raptor :)
22:47:38 fordcars Hi
22:47:43 raptor hi fordcars
22:47:52 fordcars HI
22:47:56 Skybax Ah yes. LED. I made that one a lonnnnng time ago lol
22:48:04 Skybax I just logged on and checked it
22:48:22 fordcars hehe
22:48:41 raptor man..  s_bot needs work
22:49:46 fordcars you bet
22:50:19 raptor do you know why it's so schizophrenic?
22:50:35 raptor it acts all indecisive...
22:50:45 raptor and circley circles a lot
22:51:08 fordcars yeah
22:51:29 raptor do tell
22:53:39 fordcars I hate when they start  going nuts going back and forth in CTF
22:53:53 fordcars because the flag keeps getting picked up
22:53:59 raptor kaen: what do you think about making s_bot a state machine?
22:54:11 raptor i may have asked that before..
22:54:53 raptor like create a whole bunch of states, assign relevant ones to the gametype, then jsut have s_bot move between them
22:55:12 Skybax I'm learning JavaScript
22:55:23 raptor *gasp*
22:55:41 fordcars oooohhh nice
22:55:45 raptor for a class?
22:55:49 fordcars a real language
22:55:50 Skybax No just for fun
22:55:55 raptor oh cool
22:55:58 Skybax I like code
22:56:13 raptor have you looked at the bitfighter Lua API yet?  :)
22:56:29 raptor because...   bobdaduck has made some really crazy things so far with it
22:56:31 Skybax I haven't xD unless there's organized lessons I can follow, it's hard for me to learn it
22:56:40 raptor ah
22:57:01 raptor well there's Lua tutorials...  but we're lacking on the bitfighter side..
22:57:08 Skybax I'm learning through codeacademy.com
22:57:14 raptor takes a look
22:57:28 Skybax There's a tab on there where you can make your own coding lessons for people
22:57:37 Skybax If you make some Lua lessons I'll take em xD
22:58:19 raptor under 'teach' ?
22:58:24 Skybax Yesh
22:59:22 Skybax My profile http://www.codecademy.com/skybax
22:59:26 Skybax G2g ttyl
23:00:08 raptor later
23:01:39 Skybax_ has joined
23:01:59 Skybax_ This works on my iPhone. Who woulda thunk it
23:02:09 raptor welcome to IRC!
23:02:44 Skybax_ Lol now there's two of me..
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23:04:11 Skybax_ Did you say anything after my profile link? I had to turn off my computer before it shut off lol
23:04:19 raptor nope
23:04:32 fordcars nice I made an account on CodeAcademy but never used it :P
23:04:36 raptor you can always look a the logs:  http://bitfighter.org/irclogs/
23:04:46 Skybax_ Okay xD
23:05:29 fordcars Skybax, this page is really helpful for Bitfighter's Lua API: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Script_structure
23:05:45 Skybax_ I just found out about code academy like five days ago and I've been on there for like 6 hours a day
23:05:54 raptor great!
23:06:02 raptor you'll pick up basic coding practices
23:06:22 raptor where's bobdaduck to show you the crazy Lua stuff he's done..
23:06:53 raptor Lua is similar-ish to javascript in flow, although syntax is differenct (not as C-based)
23:07:02 raptor *different
23:07:21 Skybax_ I already have somewhat of a coding foundation.. I knew BASIC and I was adequate at HTML
23:07:35 raptor ahh  BASIC
23:07:42 raptor i loved nibbles
23:07:51 fordcars YAY BASIC
23:08:56 Skybax_ I taught myself BASIC by playing around with a text-based game maker lol
23:10:10 Skybax_ I actually have an unfinished Mario based game somewhere on my hard drive lol
23:10:45 fordcars Haha nice!
23:11:06 fordcars phew finally done bob's ZombieBot :P
23:11:38 Skybax_ What does it do
23:17:09 raptor yeah, fordcars, can you show us?
23:18:48 fordcars hehe ok :P hosting in a sec
23:18:59 raptor oh goodie
23:24:25 raptor going to bed
23:24:27 raptor night!
23:24:39 raptor Quit ()
23:24:41 fordcars later!
23:26:05 Skybax_ Bai
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09:19:59	raptor	good day!
09:20:12	kaen	greetings
09:20:31	watusimoto	hey o
09:20:39	raptor	dangling pointers!
09:20:53	kaen	my VPS apparently got restored the other day. I almost got to complete an ssh connection before they took it back down again :<
09:21:00	kaen	nice fix btw, raptor
09:21:04	kaen	sorry for the trouble :x
09:21:11	raptor	oh... no worries
09:21:30	raptor	actually i was talking about another problem... which I think I forgot to CC you on the e-mail (sorry)
09:22:25	raptor	ok sent
09:24:18	raptor	watusimoto: it strikes me that deleting the proxies via another method would still leave the objects in the LuaW cache table
09:25:02	raptor	maybe that doesn't matter...
09:25:19	raptor	also, i've already tried using bfobject -> setLuaProxy(NULL) to clear out the copied pointer in the undo state. It never clears for some reason
09:25:33	watusimoto	you are probably right that it would leave the items in the cache table
09:25:41	watusimoto	maybe we can clear that out as well
09:25:57	watusimoto	actually, maybe we only need to clear that out
09:26:17	watusimoto	because removing items from the cache table will delete the proxies, no?
09:26:33	raptor	proxies are only deleted when _gc is called
09:27:08	watusimoto	we could remove the cache table and force garbage collection
09:27:32	raptor	but that still leaves the dangling pointer in the copied BfObjects
09:28:03	watusimoto	I don't think so.. what is the order of operations here?
09:28:10	watusimoto	1) initiate script
09:28:21	watusimoto	2) create undo state
09:28:27	raptor	1.1 add bfobject to main GridDatabase
09:28:43	raptor	ok back up
09:28:46	watusimoto	where does bfobject come from?
09:28:50	raptor	this happanes when you do 'undo()'
09:28:55	watusimoto	no
09:28:55	raptor	*happens
09:29:01	watusimoto	I'm thinking when you first run a script
09:29:05	raptor	oh
09:29:08	watusimoto	before that there are no proxies
09:29:12	raptor	correct
09:29:14	watusimoto	so you hit ctrl-; or whatever
09:29:14	raptor	ok
09:29:19	watusimoto	2) create undo state
09:29:25	raptor	yes
09:29:30	watusimoto	3) do scripty things, creating objects and perhaps some proxies
09:29:35	raptor	yes
09:29:41	watusimoto	4) terminate script
09:29:49	watusimoto	5) do something else in editor which...
09:29:55	watusimoto	5a) triggers undo state
09:30:06	raptor	yep
09:30:08	watusimoto	which 5b) creates copy of proxy pointer
09:30:12	raptor	yes
09:30:15	watusimoto	which 5c) sucks
09:30:16	watusimoto	so
09:30:43	watusimoto	after 4 we delete cache table and force gc, so there are now no more proxies to worry about when we get to 5)
09:31:12	raptor	(we have another bug with _gc - it seems to only trigger on game exit)
09:31:31	watusimoto	it should be triggered every time lua does its gc
09:32:51	raptor	well, i've never seen it triggered until i shut the game down
09:34:20	watusimoto	well, we could even brute force it; clobber the cache table then cycle through our objects and delete any proxies we find
09:34:26	watusimoto	that's pretty ugly, though
09:34:56	watusimoto	I'll bet forcing lua to do gc will be enough
09:35:35	raptor	ok, i'll try that...
09:36:24	watusimoto	the important thing, though, is making sure when the script is done that mProxy (or whatever) is NULL for every object we put in the database
09:36:56	raptor	I tried to manually set that to NULL before the copy with ->setLuaProxy(NULL)
09:36:58	watusimoto	we could even assert that in the datbase itself
09:37:01	raptor	that didn't work
09:37:13	raptor	not sure why..
09:37:18	watusimoto	actually, don';t assert that
09:37:49	watusimoto	could a script have been resetting the proxy after you NULLed it?
09:38:35	raptor	I don't know... i put my check in saveUndoState() right before the copy was done
09:45:10	raptor	awww man, one of my servers has a harddrive failure...
10:01:48	watusimoto	that sucks!
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10:27:53	raptor	yay, my back up is several months old
10:28:18	raptor	/sarcasm: Unknown command
10:28:23	kaen	hehe
10:28:49	raptor	looks like my backup server was being rejected by SSH for a while...
10:28:52	raptor	man
10:28:53	kaen	in my client if you do //sarcasm it will print /sarcasm
10:28:56	kaen	/sarcasm
10:29:03	raptor	/sarcasm
10:29:06	kaen	:)
10:29:06	raptor	oh hey, cool
10:31:12	bobdaduck	/sarcasm
10:31:54	bobdaduck	At my work I mark things as "very complete" instead of just "complete"
10:38:43	bobdaduck	DnD is "complete" but not "very complete"
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12:36:12	raptor	i can't look at the proxy thing for a bit... this server situation is taking my time :-/
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14:06:02	bobdaduck	levelgen:isCoordOccupied()
14:06:03	bobdaduck	PLZ
14:12:17	raptor	?
14:13:38	bobdaduck	Return an array of objects that are at the exact coord.
14:13:48	bobdaduck	Or nil if its empty.
14:13:57	raptor	use case?
14:14:31	bobdaduck	Lets say I make a testitem when someone says "deployTest"
14:14:48	bobdaduck	Lets say I don't want people putting sixty testItems as a trap in the same spot that will crash the server.
14:15:12	bobdaduck	Or in a level I'm making right now, when someone goes over a zone it makes a spawnpoint at a spot
14:15:21	bobdaduck	and I don't want people making a million spawnpoints in the same spot
14:15:40	bobdaduck	So I would use it in place of declaring a global variable switch for each time I want to use the mechanic
14:16:08	raptor	but a global switch is so easy and is super fast
14:16:23	bobdaduck	If I'm going to be using this thing like twenty times in the level
14:16:29	raptor	20 switches!
14:16:30	bobdaduck	twenty global switches is... Less than Ideal.
14:16:54	bobdaduck	And I'd like the code to be... What's the term? Make it so I can use the code on different levels without having to make major changes.
14:17:11	raptor	reusable
14:17:21	raptor	well, there is a findGlobalObjects
14:17:44	bobdaduck	No there isn't
14:17:46	bobdaduck	not until 019
14:17:50	bobdaduck	which is still like two months out
14:19:40	bobdaduck	Or what if I want to fling a ship towards a wall
14:19:46	bobdaduck	but only if there isn't something in the way?
14:23:19	raptor	oh yeah..
14:23:34	raptor	isn't there a pointCanSeePoint() ?
14:23:41	bobdaduck	uh.
14:24:01	bobdaduck	no.
14:29:12	raptor	but toggles are so good! and they save so much processing power!
14:33:29	bobdaduck	And they mean I need 40 different IDs!
14:33:32	fordcars	if (y == yOfObject) and (x == xOfObject) then return false -----?
14:33:35	bobdaduck	I'd really only use 2!
14:33:48	bobdaduck	I don't have the object
14:34:05	fordcars	oh lol
14:34:07	bobdaduck	I want to get the object
14:34:08	bobdaduck	xD
14:42:05	bobdaduck	Why can't robots be instantiated from levelgen?
14:53:44	fordcars	btw bot the zombie is nearly done
14:54:40	fordcars	it's cool, it has lots of randoms events, so they won't all behave at the same time and in the same way
14:55:22	Watusimoto_	don't we have a function to find all objects at a location?
14:55:38	Watusimoto_	maybe that's only in the C++ side of things
14:56:46	bobdaduck	There's definitely not that in lua.
14:56:55	bobdaduck	...because that's exactly what I'm asking for.
14:56:58	bobdaduck	bot the zombie lol
14:57:23	raptor	Watusimoto_: we have a findObjects variant in c++ that takes a Rect
14:57:34	bobdaduck	The level to go with it is coming along as well
14:57:52	Watusimoto_	yes, that must be what I'm thinking of
14:58:11	Watusimoto_	we could expose that pretty easily if we wanted
14:58:48	Watusimoto_	I'd be willing to do it if it someone (i.e. bobdaduck) put it on the running bug list
14:59:03	bobdaduck	yay
14:59:05	bobdaduck	!butg
14:59:07	bobdaduck	!bug
14:59:07	BFLogBot	To enter a bug, please make sure it is reproducible and then go to http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/list \| Also, see current running bug list: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Running_Bug_List
15:00:56	raptor	bobdaduck: is always willing to add bugs
15:01:05	raptor	err, i mean create bugs
15:01:10	raptor	i mean, find bugs
15:01:15	bobdaduck	build bugs.
15:01:21	bobdaduck	I invent them.
15:08:19	fordcars	hey kaen, is it normal that I add 0.0002 on each frame to 0.0001, and that at some point it will be ex: 0.00299999999999?
15:08:31	fordcars	the 9s show up
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15:12:03	bobdaduck	What are you doing?
15:13:00	fordcars	:P it's the rate the zombies get faster
15:13:10	fordcars	wanna see the bot?
15:14:35	bobdaduck	yes
15:14:53	bobdaduck	Dunno if I can join
15:14:57	bobdaduck	We'll try it
15:15:12	fordcars	oh ok hosting
15:15:20	fordcars	and ignore the numbers in chat :P
15:23:02	bobdaduck	its cool that it'll work across gametypes
15:23:29	fordcars	yep :P
15:23:37	fordcars	what will it be called?
15:23:42	fordcars	Zombot!
15:23:50	fordcars	Botbie!
15:23:54	fordcars	lol
15:25:11	fordcars	getGameTimeTotal() -- bots can get game time
15:26:55	bobdaduck	bot the zombie
15:26:58	bobdaduck	botdazombie
15:27:06	fordcars	lol ok
15:27:44	bobdaduck	Cool. You should make it so that it hits .8 speed at 80% gametime. And if you can, it'd be cool if the admin could set overtime where bots start going faster than the actual humans.
15:27:56	bobdaduck	OH OH OH AND IF THE BOT KILLS SOMEONE IT SHOULD GET A SPEED BOOST
15:28:03	bobdaduck	wait no that won't work
15:28:03	bobdaduck	xD
15:29:11	fordcars	LOL
15:29:58	fordcars	what, you want admin to decide when bot hits .8 speed?
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15:30:13	bobdaduck	getGameTimeTotal at the start of the game
15:30:22	bobdaduck	and calculate how much to increase difficulty each tick off of that
15:30:35	fordcars	yeah I know, but what does the admin do?
15:30:51	bobdaduck	/addtime 10
15:31:04	bobdaduck	And the bot will just keep increasing its speed past 1
15:31:12	fordcars	oh kokokokok
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15:31:28	fordcars	well I can get time remaining
15:31:43	fordcars	calculate the rate on tick, so if it changes, the bot will ajust
15:32:05	bobdaduck	you could just get time remaining at the beginning of the game
15:32:10	bobdaduck	and never get it again
15:32:10	fordcars	yeah
15:32:16	fordcars	well if addtime 10
15:32:44	bobdaduck	in a 20 minute game, extending it 10 minutes would theoretically mean the bot eventually reaches 1.5 speed
15:32:55	fordcars	doesn't work...
15:33:02	Watusimoto_	found this oddly interesting
15:33:03	Watusimoto_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives
15:33:22	fordcars	wow Watusimoto
15:33:24	bobdaduck	Why doesn't it work?
15:34:04	fordcars	remember, bots are players!!!!!!
15:34:08	fordcars	1 is max speed
15:34:48	fordcars	wow, one way screws are cool!
15:34:58	bobdaduck	What no
15:35:03	bobdaduck	You can set s_bots speed to 2
15:35:20	bobdaduck	host I'll show you
15:35:43	fordcars	yeah but it won't go faster
15:37:35	bobdaduck	bah!
15:38:23	fordcars	ok so it will calculate each tick, it'll be cooler anyway
15:38:36	bobdaduck	it will?
15:38:41	fordcars	well maybe
15:39:06	fordcars	if you add 1000 seconds, the bot will slow down and slowly speed up again
15:39:22	bobdaduck	nah
15:39:24	fordcars	or maybe I should just do it in main?
15:39:37	bobdaduck	probably just in main and only do it once
15:39:42	fordcars	okokokokokokokok
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15:52:24	fordcars	can bots get the fps?
15:57:00	fordcars	later guys, gtg
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16:08:33	Watusimoto_	Good night, gentlemen
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17:19:28	raptor	howdy howdy
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18:54:01	raptor	ok, running garbage collector right after running an editor plugin does not wipe the proxies..
18:54:08	raptor	it doesn't even detect garbage...
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20:39:26	raptor	kaen: you around?
21:18:39	raptor	I think we need some way to static cast any BfObject* to its underlying type (like WallItem or LoadoutZone)
21:25:49	raptor	but that requires reflection and is only doable with RTTI :(
21:25:55	raptor	stink
21:35:30		BFLogBot Commit: 7d677622c168 \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Rename method to make more sense
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22:39:54	kaen	raptor, I'm not sure I understand why you'd need that.
22:40:00	kaen	sounds a lot like dynamic cast :x
22:40:08	raptor	yes but compile time!
22:40:15	kaen	ah I see
22:40:21	raptor	ok, i'm just acting like a spoiled java brat
22:40:36	raptor	oh and hello!
22:40:43	kaen	hello :)
22:40:49	raptor	anyways.. I just found a solution to my problem and sent an e-mail..
22:41:59	raptor	but it feels so ugly
22:42:04	raptor	blech
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22:45:20	Skybax	Hi
22:45:28	raptor	Skybax!
22:45:30	raptor	hi
22:45:40	Skybax	How've you guys been? lol
22:45:49	raptor	good
22:45:57	fordcars	wow Skybax!
22:46:10	Skybax	Hi ford
22:46:29	raptor	I played your 'Diode' level the other day - I thought it was clever
22:46:38	raptor	or was it 'LED'
22:46:40	Skybax	Mine?
22:46:44	raptor	yes, i think so
22:46:51	Skybax	LED sounds more familiar than Diode
22:46:55	raptor	LED, yes
22:46:57	raptor	clever
22:47:02	Skybax	Thanks :3
22:47:04	raptor	because it had diodes
22:47:06	raptor	:)
22:47:38	fordcars	Hi
22:47:43	raptor	hi fordcars
22:47:52	fordcars	HI
22:47:56	Skybax	Ah yes. LED. I made that one a lonnnnng time ago lol
22:48:04	Skybax	I just logged on and checked it
22:48:22	fordcars	hehe
22:48:41	raptor	man.. s_bot needs work
22:49:46	fordcars	you bet
22:50:19	raptor	do you know why it's so schizophrenic?
22:50:35	raptor	it acts all indecisive...
22:50:45	raptor	and circley circles a lot
22:51:08	fordcars	yeah
22:51:29	raptor	do tell
22:53:39	fordcars	I hate when they start going nuts going back and forth in CTF
22:53:53	fordcars	because the flag keeps getting picked up
22:53:59	raptor	kaen: what do you think about making s_bot a state machine?
22:54:11	raptor	i may have asked that before..
22:54:53	raptor	like create a whole bunch of states, assign relevant ones to the gametype, then jsut have s_bot move between them
22:55:12	Skybax	I'm learning JavaScript
22:55:23	raptor	gasp
22:55:41	fordcars	oooohhh nice
22:55:45	raptor	for a class?
22:55:49	fordcars	a real language
22:55:50	Skybax	No just for fun
22:55:55	raptor	oh cool
22:55:58	Skybax	I like code
22:56:13	raptor	have you looked at the bitfighter Lua API yet? :)
22:56:29	raptor	because... bobdaduck has made some really crazy things so far with it
22:56:31	Skybax	I haven't xD unless there's organized lessons I can follow, it's hard for me to learn it
22:56:40	raptor	ah
22:57:01	raptor	well there's Lua tutorials... but we're lacking on the bitfighter side..
22:57:08	Skybax	I'm learning through codeacademy.com
22:57:14		raptor takes a look
22:57:28	Skybax	There's a tab on there where you can make your own coding lessons for people
22:57:37	Skybax	If you make some Lua lessons I'll take em xD
22:58:19	raptor	under 'teach' ?
22:58:24	Skybax	Yesh
22:59:22	Skybax	My profile http://www.codecademy.com/skybax
22:59:26	Skybax	G2g ttyl
23:00:08	raptor	later
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23:01:59	Skybax_	This works on my iPhone. Who woulda thunk it
23:02:09	raptor	welcome to IRC!
23:02:44	Skybax_	Lol now there's two of me..
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23:04:11	Skybax_	Did you say anything after my profile link? I had to turn off my computer before it shut off lol
23:04:19	raptor	nope
23:04:32	fordcars	nice I made an account on CodeAcademy but never used it :P
23:04:36	raptor	you can always look a the logs: http://bitfighter.org/irclogs/
23:04:46	Skybax_	Okay xD
23:05:29	fordcars	Skybax, this page is really helpful for Bitfighter's Lua API: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Script_structure
23:05:45	Skybax_	I just found out about code academy like five days ago and I've been on there for like 6 hours a day
23:05:54	raptor	great!
23:06:02	raptor	you'll pick up basic coding practices
23:06:22	raptor	where's bobdaduck to show you the crazy Lua stuff he's done..
23:06:53	raptor	Lua is similar-ish to javascript in flow, although syntax is differenct (not as C-based)
23:07:02	raptor	*different
23:07:21	Skybax_	I already have somewhat of a coding foundation.. I knew BASIC and I was adequate at HTML
23:07:35	raptor	ahh BASIC
23:07:42	raptor	i loved nibbles
23:07:51	fordcars	YAY BASIC
23:08:56	Skybax_	I taught myself BASIC by playing around with a text-based game maker lol
23:10:10	Skybax_	I actually have an unfinished Mario based game somewhere on my hard drive lol
23:10:45	fordcars	Haha nice!
23:11:06	fordcars	phew finally done bob's ZombieBot :P
23:11:38	Skybax_	What does it do
23:17:09	raptor	yeah, fordcars, can you show us?
23:18:48	fordcars	hehe ok :P hosting in a sec
23:18:59	raptor	oh goodie
23:24:25	raptor	going to bed
23:24:27	raptor	night!
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23:24:41	fordcars	later!
23:26:05	Skybax_	Bai
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