#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2013-09-01

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12:37:17 raptor hello
12:54:43 raptor i've half been expecting watusimoto to show up today...
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13:27:24 fordcars HI
13:27:46 fordcars So, is it possible to compile Bitfighter with openGl Es?
13:34:52 fordcars Wow irc was interestingly active yesterday :P
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14:56:31 fordcars Hi raptor
14:56:58 fordcars You said Bitfighter supports GLES
15:00:48 Nothing_Much fordcars: if it's on the Rasperry Pi then I believe so
15:01:21 fordcars But how :( Do I actually use the android port?
15:02:34 Nothing_Much That I couldn't tell you, sorry :( But I did suggest an OpenPandora port, which is android/Linux based pc/console
15:04:52 fordcars Woa nice?#
15:04:58 fordcars LOl*!
15:05:08 fordcars What OS does it run?
15:05:37 Nothing_Much Linux/Android I believe, but Linux as the main OS
15:05:38 Nothing_Much http://openpandora.org/
15:05:53 fordcars But what distro?
15:06:08 Nothing_Much It runs off of a fork of an arm distro
15:06:22 Nothing_Much It's pretty neat
15:06:31 fordcars Yeah!
15:06:41 Nothing_Much I don't have one myself, but it's a nice community run project
15:06:42 fordcars You have one?
15:06:47 fordcars Lol ok
15:06:54 Nothing_Much Yeah.. lemme check the distro
15:07:22 fordcars How much is it?
15:08:33 Nothing_Much It's 495$ for the first version, 609$ for the 1GHz version
15:08:52 fordcars Woa
15:09:16 fordcars Still quit eexpensive
15:09:23 Nothing_Much It's a weak console to say the least about it, single core processor.. However it does have a touchscreen and tons of buttons and dual analog controllers and a d-pad and L/R buttons along with an SNES controller layout
15:09:31 fordcars But I liove th tiny keyboard :P
15:09:36 Nothing_Much openpandora.org
15:10:10 fordcars Touch screen?
15:10:12 Nothing_Much Oh wait, the "rebirth" edition is 479$ which is 600MHz single core Arm
15:10:15 Nothing_Much Yeah, touch screen
15:10:25 Nothing_Much All pandora's have had the touchscreen
15:10:55 fordcars It doesn't mention that on openpandora.org
15:11:15 Nothing_Much Click on the "order now" and look at the stores in the US
15:12:18 Nothing_Much Or wherever you live :P
15:13:05 fordcars :P
15:13:05 fordcars Okokokok
15:14:17 fordcars http://blog.parts-people.com/2012/12/20/mobile-raspberry-pi-computer-build-your-own-portable-rpi-to-go/
15:14:20 fordcars :P
15:15:11 Nothing_Much Hahaha, the things you can do to a pi
15:15:19 fordcars :P
15:15:31 Nothing_Much But you couldn't fit it in your pocket though lol
15:16:02 fordcars The Pandora is really nice, but I would wait until the price goes down if they sell more
15:16:22 Nothing_Much It's also overclockable
15:16:29 fordcars :P
15:16:32 Nothing_Much But yeah
15:16:37 Nothing_Much They have a channel #openpandora here
15:16:49 fordcars I always wanted a portable computer like that
15:17:01 fordcars Portable Bitfighter
15:17:11 fordcars But nobody has a Pandora in Bitfighter I think
15:17:20 fordcars And I am the only one with a Pi :P
15:17:37 fordcars Bitfighter, anywahere
15:18:02 Nothing_Much Well you could sponsor the game if there's some interest in a port for it
15:18:19 Nothing_Much There's 3500 models that have been purchased
15:18:25 Nothing_Much According to wikipedia
15:18:39 fordcars yeah
15:18:41 fordcars Maybye
15:19:18 fordcars Well a port wouldn't be complicated, I guess
15:19:25 fordcars But we couldn't test it :P
15:19:26 Nothing_Much Wouldn't hurt to try, this game exists on pretty much every platform I can think off the top of my head
15:19:35 Nothing_Much So recruit!
15:19:43 fordcars Oh okokok
15:19:55 fordcars I don't knoiw the pandora community
15:19:57 fordcars !
15:20:03 fordcars :P
15:20:33 fordcars BFLogBot
15:20:36 BFLogBot Hobbes: Shouldn't we read the instructions? Calvin: Do I look like a sissy? 
15:20:36 Nothing_Much Me neither, I just looked up "free consoles" one day and found it
15:20:50 fordcars Free COnsoles?
15:20:57 Nothing_Much It plays emulators
15:21:01 Nothing_Much A lot of emulators
15:21:14 Nothing_Much Sega genesis, SNES, NES, PSX, etc
15:21:28 fordcars Yeah I read that
15:37:26 raptor hello fordcars
15:38:02 raptor yes, it supports GLES
15:56:07 fordcars Hi
15:56:16 fordcars But how do I build with GLES?
16:02:40 raptor good question!
16:02:53 fordcars :P
16:03:01 raptor do you want to compile 018a or 019?
16:04:24 fordcars 018a
16:05:13 raptor ok
16:05:30 raptor you'll have to do a little bit of a code dive...  but it should be relatively simple
16:05:30 BFLogBot Commit: eaf978e43f50 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Add preprocessor flag BF_USE_GLES to force the use of GLES when compiling bitfighter
16:06:22 fordcars OK
16:06:39 raptor umm...  actually....
16:06:42 raptor this is on Linux?
16:06:46 fordcars Yeah
16:06:52 fordcars Debian
16:07:33 raptor because SDL 1.2 doesn't allow for GLES, but SDL2 does - and we use SDL2 on every platform but Linux..
16:08:12 raptor i'm trying to think of an easy way...
16:08:14 Nothing_Much Wasn't SDL2 released just recently?
16:08:17 raptor yes
16:08:44 raptor what debian version?
16:09:22 fordcars Raspbian
16:09:25 fordcars Wheezy
16:09:28 raptor ok
16:12:33 raptor hmmm...
16:12:53 raptor the combination is just bad - you may have to compile against SDL2, but then you'd have to compile SDL2
16:14:39 fordcars :(
16:15:07 Nothing_Much What's the sdl 2 package called?
16:15:17 fordcars libsdl2?
16:16:17 Nothing_Much fordcars: is it possible to upgrade raspbian to sid?
16:16:25 fordcars sid?
16:16:48 fordcars Well I was trying to build a Bitfighter version to work on most Pis
16:17:01 Nothing_Much the version of debian that uses semi-more recent software
16:17:09 Nothing_Much Ohh
16:17:57 Nothing_Much Or maybe Jessie (testing) version would be enough
16:19:27 Nothing_Much nvm
16:19:37 fordcars ;)
16:19:46 Nothing_Much Can't upgrade raspbian yet
16:19:49 fordcars THERE HAS TO BE A WAY
16:19:59 fordcars For Bitfighter
16:20:01 Nothing_Much Compile SDL2 from source maybe
16:22:51 Nothing_Much Is the Raspberry Pi an Armhf or just Armel?
16:22:57 fordcars But Bitfighter is made for SDL1
16:23:25 fordcars uh, arm11
16:23:40 Nothing_Much Oh.. lemme see
16:23:55 Nothing_Much You might be able to add the "sid" repository to your sources
16:24:08 Nothing_Much And grab the sdl 2 packages
16:24:13 Nothing_Much From the official Debian repo
16:24:15 fordcars wow
16:25:14 Nothing_Much Sorry if I'm not much help :(
16:26:01 Nothing_Much http://packages.debian.org/search?arch=armel&searchon=names&keywords=libsdl2
16:26:17 Nothing_Much Those are the sdl 2 packages though
16:36:52 Nothing_Much I shall brb
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16:41:40 fordcars Raptor, should I get sdl2 on my Raspberry?
16:42:02 fordcars fordcars
16:46:45 fordcars raptor, sdl1.3?
16:47:42 fordcars it says that opengl es works with sdl 1.3
16:51:46 raptor hi
16:51:49 raptor not 1.3
16:51:57 fordcars ok
16:52:00 raptor 1.3 became 2.0 a couple years ago
16:52:03 raptor they're incompatible
16:52:04 fordcars oh ok
16:53:34 fordcars http://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?t=9340&sid=e20595aab01110616efd403ae9d186d0
16:54:54 raptor interesting...
16:55:39 raptor that is to build a PI-specific video backend without X11
16:55:55 raptor but if you ahve X11, it should work out-of-the-box
16:56:45 fordcars SDL2
16:56:47 fordcars ?
16:56:54 raptor yes
16:57:08 raptor if you run on top of X11 + GLES it should still work without a problem
17:02:41 fordcars http://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?t=9340&sid=e20595aab01110616efd403ae9d186d0
17:02:48 fordcars Should I just try this?
17:03:00 raptor no
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17:03:20 raptor that is highly experimental, and you still need to compile SDL2 normally
17:03:49 fordcars Ok, but wjy is the Mighty Google not saying anything about X11 Sdl2 and Pi?
17:04:07 Nothing_Much fordcars, because there hasn't been a port yet
17:05:37 raptor I just found another reference that SDL2 compiles fine on RPI
17:06:01 fordcars I saw some too
17:06:11 raptor it was just released, so you won't find much else
17:06:15 fordcars But no x11!
17:07:26 Nothing_Much What do you mean x11?
17:08:25 fordcars idn
17:08:51 raptor X11 is the graphical system on most Linux distros
17:09:00 raptor it's included on RPI
17:09:20 fordcars oh THAT
17:09:40 fordcars LXDE
17:09:49 raptor LXDE runs on top of X11, yes
17:09:54 fordcars okokok
17:10:04 fordcars You think it would run?
17:10:07 raptor yes
17:10:08 fordcars compile sdl2
17:10:11 raptor yes
17:10:17 fordcars Why?
17:10:37 Nothing_Much x.x
17:10:55 raptor why what?
17:11:09 fordcars ??
17:11:23 Nothing_Much SDL is the lib that renders the.. game right?
17:11:28 fordcars Yeah
17:11:42 raptor it's the rendering + event engine, yes
17:11:46 fordcars SDL2 is the only way to get OpenGl es to work
17:11:53 fordcars with Bitfighter
17:12:46 Nothing_Much Ah
17:15:25 fordcars At this moment, the implementation of X for the Raspberry Pi is unable to do this, and so you can’t use X to provide your surface. I am very sure that this support will be added in time, but until then, people wanting to play with this will have to connect up the OpenGL ES side of things to the display by another method.
17:15:43 raptor where is that?
17:15:47 raptor I need to see that in context
17:15:52 fordcars http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/using-opengl-es-2-0-on-the-raspberry-pi-without-x-windows/
17:17:12 raptor well...
17:17:14 raptor that stinks
17:17:53 Nothing_Much That article was made a year ago
17:19:24 raptor yeah, but i think it's still valid
17:19:33 raptor combined with the info from that SDL2 bug report
17:20:04 Nothing_Much so it's more than just having a development file of libsdl2 and compiling it?
17:20:05 Nothing_Much :(
17:20:32 fordcars I guess :(
17:21:22 raptor yeah...  i'm sorry fordcars, you may have to wait until SDL2 compiles with GLES support *without* X11..
17:21:40 Nothing_Much wait, only without x11?
17:21:48 Nothing_Much why not just use x11?
17:22:06 fordcars http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/using-opengl-es-2-0-on-the-raspberry-pi-without-x-windows/
17:22:23 fordcars I guess it won't work
17:22:28 fordcars :(
17:22:40 Nothing_Much I mean, using x window
17:23:53 Nothing_Much I'm confused
17:24:07 fordcars Why do I need SDl 2?
17:24:13 fordcars Me too
17:25:14 Nothing_Much Isn't SDL2 for 019?
17:25:50 fordcars I think raptor said that I need SDl2 to have Open Gl Es
17:25:56 raptor no, we've been using it since 017 for windows and osx
17:26:58 Nothing_Much Ohh..
17:28:57 fordcars http://www.mesa3d.org/
17:29:29 raptor mesa3d properly provides an OpenGL software implementation if your hardware is missing it
17:29:39 raptor so actually, fordcars, it may still work if you have Mesa installed
17:30:18 fordcars @still@
17:30:24 raptor yep
17:30:24 fordcars "still"
17:30:28 fordcars ok
17:30:31 raptor heh
17:30:35 fordcars Should I try?
17:30:49 raptor as long as the mesa installed has a GLES software implementation
17:31:07 fordcars It will use mesa automatically when I run Bitfighter?
17:31:09 raptor so i'm curious - what happens now if you try to compile?
17:31:11 raptor yes
17:31:24 fordcars It compiles fine?
17:31:58 raptor i don't know
17:32:00 BFLogBot Commit: fa600da6b028 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Default to SDL2 on all platforms since the official release.  Fallback to SDL 1.2
17:32:02 raptor i don't have your hardware
17:32:23 fordcars You don't? :P
17:32:45 raptor If I did, I would have most assuredly ported bitfighter to it...  :)
17:32:48 fordcars It compiled fine last time, except getting an error of something not supported on my artchitecture
17:32:55 fordcars :PPPP
17:33:06 raptor fordcars: *any* error means it didn't compile fine
17:33:15 fordcars sorry, warning
17:33:28 raptor can you tell me the exact error?
17:33:34 fordcars nope
17:33:40 fordcars I don't remember!
17:33:42 raptor no architecture warning is a warning
17:33:46 raptor it's an error
17:33:48 fordcars vma(b) or something
17:33:58 fordcars vpa
17:34:07 fordcars v*a
17:34:11 raptor well, you should compile again
17:34:15 raptor and find out
17:34:18 fordcars ANOTHER HOUR!
17:34:19 raptor instead of guess :)
17:34:31 fordcars Fine,
17:34:35 raptor did you use the CMake system?
17:34:39 fordcars Yeah
17:34:52 raptor and did you remove the compile directories?
17:34:59 fordcars uh what?
17:35:02 raptor or did you change any source files?
17:35:05 fordcars no
17:35:16 raptor ok, then just run 'make' again and see what happens
17:35:22 raptor in the 'build' directory
17:35:59 fordcars make /bla/bla/bla/build/bitfighter
17:36:01 fordcars ?
17:36:15 raptor no
17:36:22 raptor cd blah...blah/build
17:36:26 raptor then
17:36:29 raptor make bitfighter
17:37:42 fordcars make -j2
17:37:44 fordcars ?
17:37:54 raptor if you have two processors, then sure
17:38:01 raptor is it a dual core?
17:38:02 fordcars ????????????????????
17:38:08 fordcars KAEN TOLD ME TO DO THAT
17:38:14 fordcars its single processor
17:38:17 raptor that doesn't matter
17:38:18 raptor oh
17:38:25 raptor ok, if only one core/processor
17:38:27 raptor don't do -j2
17:38:38 fordcars ok make bitfighter
17:38:42 raptor y
17:38:48 Nothing_Much fordcars, if it's a dual core, then that's fine, it just makes the process move faster
17:39:00 fordcars ok thanks :)
17:42:15 fordcars mcd /build
17:42:16 fordcars make
17:43:20 fordcars ok done
17:43:27 raptor any warnings?
17:43:35 fordcars No
17:43:51 raptor and it put an executable file in the exe folder?
17:43:52 fordcars Ok it didn't rebuild completely
17:44:22 fordcars Yeah, there is the exe
17:44:46 raptor yeah, cmake is smart and won't have you rebuild every file if it's not needed
17:45:03 raptor there is a 'bitfighter' binary file in the 'exe' folder?
17:45:13 raptor if so, what happens if you run it?
17:45:15 fordcars Yeah
17:46:05 fordcars Welcome to Bitfighter! Failure (1) loading sound file '/usr/share/bitfighter/sfx/phaser.wav': Game will proceed without sound. Setting display mode failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
17:46:16 raptor oh good
17:46:39 fordcars AL lib: ReleaseALC: 1 device not closed
17:46:43 fordcars When I quit
17:46:52 raptor that's OK
17:46:54 fordcars ok
17:47:01 raptor the main issue is the GLX piece..
17:47:07 fordcars I have to go, I'll be back in hour
17:47:17 raptor you need to install 'libgl1-mesa-swx11'
17:47:18 fordcars I guess I really need sdl2 or something
17:47:35 fordcars Ok I'll do that when I get back
17:47:37 raptor ok
17:47:39 raptor bye
17:47:42 fordcars Is that mesa 3d?
17:47:46 raptor yes
17:47:49 fordcars OK
17:47:54 raptor the software renderer
17:48:02 fordcars Later! And Thanks!
17:48:12 fordcars Ok
17:49:54 Nothing_Much That's the software renderer
17:49:58 Nothing_Much Why use that?
17:50:08 Nothing_Much It's gonna be painfully slow
17:50:10 raptor because it's the only way it'll work
17:50:22 raptor two chioces:  work slowly, or not work
17:57:07 Nothing_Much yeah that's true
17:57:20 Nothing_Much software apparently can do everything, just at an unplayable framerate
17:57:47 Nothing_Much but he's just testing out right? once sdl 2 gets a proper port, it'll be known whether to work or not on the pi, right?
18:08:54 raptor theoretically
18:10:35 Nothing_Much wouldn't hurt to try, right? the hardware is left alone?
18:10:54 raptor doesn't hurt
18:11:43 Nothing_Much ah, because I thought lag would equal to using a lot of hardware resources, despite it claiming to use software
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18:32:10 fordcars_pi Bitfighter works!
18:32:18 fordcars_pi But it's painfully slow
18:32:19 Nothing_Much fordcars_pi, Cool!
18:32:23 fordcars_pi But it works!
18:32:26 Nothing_Much Yeah, software rendering does that
18:32:35 Nothing_Much But that's awesome news
18:33:02 Nothing_Much If or whenever I get myself a Pi (gonna need to figure out how to plug it in) I shall test it out there
18:33:21 fordcars_pi I get like 1 fps
18:33:36 Nothing_Much Yeah, that's software rendering for ya
18:34:40 fordcars_pi Actually I get 3! Wow!
18:36:21 fordcars_pi Now I get 5! Wower!
18:36:58 Nothing_Much Really now?
18:37:04 fordcars_pi 6.5
18:37:07 fordcars_pi :d
18:37:10 fordcars_pi *D
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18:37:25 fordcars_pi I made the Bitfighter window smaller, though
18:37:35 Nothing_Much Keeps increasing? Perhaps you should not keep playing it for now, is the pi heating up?
18:38:35 fordcars_pi No it's not getting faster
18:38:52 fordcars_pi I made the window quite smaller :)
18:39:05 Nothing_Much Ah, but what about the Pi? Is it heating up or is it alright?
18:40:07 fordcars_pi It can't really heat up that much, I built Bitfighter and it took an hour, using all of the CPU, but it wasn';t really warm
18:40:23 Nothing_Much Ah, that's good
18:40:28 fordcars_pi Anyway, gtg for now, but I'll be bcak soon probably :)
18:40:33 fordcars_pi Thanks!
18:40:35 Nothing_Much Alright, l8r then!
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19:29:12 raptor kaen: do you have your buildbot configuration files saved somewhere?  I think I'd like to try and set one up...
19:29:21 raptor or maybe...
19:42:45 raptor embarks on a learning curve
19:45:02 Nothing_Much oh raptor, fordcars said it worked
19:45:12 raptor i saw
19:45:13 raptor great!
19:45:34 Nothing_Much Awesome
19:49:28 Nothing_Much Is there a "set default keys" section in the options?
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20:00:56 bobdaduck Man M14 drafts are worthless
20:01:05 bobdaduck Return to ravnica is such a better set
20:01:33 bobdaduck IZZET ALL THE WAY
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20:04:17 Nothing_Much oh darn, there isn't
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13:27:24	fordcars	HI
13:27:46	fordcars	So, is it possible to compile Bitfighter with openGl Es?
13:34:52	fordcars	Wow irc was interestingly active yesterday :P
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14:56:31	fordcars	Hi raptor
14:56:58	fordcars	You said Bitfighter supports GLES
15:00:48	Nothing_Much	fordcars: if it's on the Rasperry Pi then I believe so
15:01:21	fordcars	But how :( Do I actually use the android port?
15:02:34	Nothing_Much	That I couldn't tell you, sorry :( But I did suggest an OpenPandora port, which is android/Linux based pc/console
15:04:52	fordcars	Woa nice?#
15:04:58	fordcars	LOl*!
15:05:08	fordcars	What OS does it run?
15:05:37	Nothing_Much	Linux/Android I believe, but Linux as the main OS
15:05:38	Nothing_Much	http://openpandora.org/
15:05:53	fordcars	But what distro?
15:06:08	Nothing_Much	It runs off of a fork of an arm distro
15:06:22	Nothing_Much	It's pretty neat
15:06:31	fordcars	Yeah!
15:06:41	Nothing_Much	I don't have one myself, but it's a nice community run project
15:06:42	fordcars	You have one?
15:06:47	fordcars	Lol ok
15:06:54	Nothing_Much	Yeah.. lemme check the distro
15:07:22	fordcars	How much is it?
15:08:33	Nothing_Much	It's 495$ for the first version, 609$ for the 1GHz version
15:08:52	fordcars	Woa
15:09:16	fordcars	Still quit eexpensive
15:09:23	Nothing_Much	It's a weak console to say the least about it, single core processor.. However it does have a touchscreen and tons of buttons and dual analog controllers and a d-pad and L/R buttons along with an SNES controller layout
15:09:31	fordcars	But I liove th tiny keyboard :P
15:09:36	Nothing_Much	openpandora.org
15:10:10	fordcars	Touch screen?
15:10:12	Nothing_Much	Oh wait, the "rebirth" edition is 479$ which is 600MHz single core Arm
15:10:15	Nothing_Much	Yeah, touch screen
15:10:25	Nothing_Much	All pandora's have had the touchscreen
15:10:55	fordcars	It doesn't mention that on openpandora.org
15:11:15	Nothing_Much	Click on the "order now" and look at the stores in the US
15:12:18	Nothing_Much	Or wherever you live :P
15:13:05	fordcars	:P
15:13:05	fordcars	Okokokok
15:14:17	fordcars	http://blog.parts-people.com/2012/12/20/mobile-raspberry-pi-computer-build-your-own-portable-rpi-to-go/
15:14:20	fordcars	:P
15:15:11	Nothing_Much	Hahaha, the things you can do to a pi
15:15:19	fordcars	:P
15:15:31	Nothing_Much	But you couldn't fit it in your pocket though lol
15:16:02	fordcars	The Pandora is really nice, but I would wait until the price goes down if they sell more
15:16:22	Nothing_Much	It's also overclockable
15:16:29	fordcars	:P
15:16:32	Nothing_Much	But yeah
15:16:37	Nothing_Much	They have a channel #openpandora here
15:16:49	fordcars	I always wanted a portable computer like that
15:17:01	fordcars	Portable Bitfighter
15:17:11	fordcars	But nobody has a Pandora in Bitfighter I think
15:17:20	fordcars	And I am the only one with a Pi :P
15:17:37	fordcars	Bitfighter, anywahere
15:18:02	Nothing_Much	Well you could sponsor the game if there's some interest in a port for it
15:18:19	Nothing_Much	There's 3500 models that have been purchased
15:18:25	Nothing_Much	According to wikipedia
15:18:39	fordcars	yeah
15:18:41	fordcars	Maybye
15:19:18	fordcars	Well a port wouldn't be complicated, I guess
15:19:25	fordcars	But we couldn't test it :P
15:19:26	Nothing_Much	Wouldn't hurt to try, this game exists on pretty much every platform I can think off the top of my head
15:19:35	Nothing_Much	So recruit!
15:19:43	fordcars	Oh okokok
15:19:55	fordcars	I don't knoiw the pandora community
15:19:57	fordcars	!
15:20:03	fordcars	:P
15:20:33	fordcars	BFLogBot
15:20:36	BFLogBot	Hobbes: Shouldn't we read the instructions? Calvin: Do I look like a sissy?
15:20:36	Nothing_Much	Me neither, I just looked up "free consoles" one day and found it
15:20:50	fordcars	Free COnsoles?
15:20:57	Nothing_Much	It plays emulators
15:21:01	Nothing_Much	A lot of emulators
15:21:14	Nothing_Much	Sega genesis, SNES, NES, PSX, etc
15:21:28	fordcars	Yeah I read that
15:37:26	raptor	hello fordcars
15:38:02	raptor	yes, it supports GLES
15:56:07	fordcars	Hi
15:56:16	fordcars	But how do I build with GLES?
16:02:40	raptor	good question!
16:02:53	fordcars	:P
16:03:01	raptor	do you want to compile 018a or 019?
16:04:24	fordcars	018a
16:05:13	raptor	ok
16:05:30	raptor	you'll have to do a little bit of a code dive... but it should be relatively simple
16:05:30		BFLogBot Commit: eaf978e43f50 \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Add preprocessor flag BF_USE_GLES to force the use of GLES when compiling bitfighter
16:06:22	fordcars	OK
16:06:39	raptor	umm... actually....
16:06:42	raptor	this is on Linux?
16:06:46	fordcars	Yeah
16:06:52	fordcars	Debian
16:07:33	raptor	because SDL 1.2 doesn't allow for GLES, but SDL2 does - and we use SDL2 on every platform but Linux..
16:08:12	raptor	i'm trying to think of an easy way...
16:08:14	Nothing_Much	Wasn't SDL2 released just recently?
16:08:17	raptor	yes
16:08:44	raptor	what debian version?
16:09:22	fordcars	Raspbian
16:09:25	fordcars	Wheezy
16:09:28	raptor	ok
16:12:33	raptor	hmmm...
16:12:53	raptor	the combination is just bad - you may have to compile against SDL2, but then you'd have to compile SDL2
16:14:39	fordcars	:(
16:15:07	Nothing_Much	What's the sdl 2 package called?
16:15:17	fordcars	libsdl2?
16:16:17	Nothing_Much	fordcars: is it possible to upgrade raspbian to sid?
16:16:25	fordcars	sid?
16:16:48	fordcars	Well I was trying to build a Bitfighter version to work on most Pis
16:17:01	Nothing_Much	the version of debian that uses semi-more recent software
16:17:09	Nothing_Much	Ohh
16:17:57	Nothing_Much	Or maybe Jessie (testing) version would be enough
16:19:27	Nothing_Much	nvm
16:19:37	fordcars	;)
16:19:46	Nothing_Much	Can't upgrade raspbian yet
16:19:49	fordcars	THERE HAS TO BE A WAY
16:19:59	fordcars	For Bitfighter
16:20:01	Nothing_Much	Compile SDL2 from source maybe
16:22:51	Nothing_Much	Is the Raspberry Pi an Armhf or just Armel?
16:22:57	fordcars	But Bitfighter is made for SDL1
16:23:25	fordcars	uh, arm11
16:23:40	Nothing_Much	Oh.. lemme see
16:23:55	Nothing_Much	You might be able to add the "sid" repository to your sources
16:24:08	Nothing_Much	And grab the sdl 2 packages
16:24:13	Nothing_Much	From the official Debian repo
16:24:15	fordcars	wow
16:25:14	Nothing_Much	Sorry if I'm not much help :(
16:26:01	Nothing_Much	http://packages.debian.org/search?arch=armel&searchon=names&keywords=libsdl2
16:26:17	Nothing_Much	Those are the sdl 2 packages though
16:36:52	Nothing_Much	I shall brb
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16:41:40	fordcars	Raptor, should I get sdl2 on my Raspberry?
16:42:02	fordcars	fordcars
16:46:45	fordcars	raptor, sdl1.3?
16:47:42	fordcars	it says that opengl es works with sdl 1.3
16:51:46	raptor	hi
16:51:49	raptor	not 1.3
16:51:57	fordcars	ok
16:52:00	raptor	1.3 became 2.0 a couple years ago
16:52:03	raptor	they're incompatible
16:52:04	fordcars	oh ok
16:53:34	fordcars	http://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?t=9340&sid=e20595aab01110616efd403ae9d186d0
16:54:54	raptor	interesting...
16:55:39	raptor	that is to build a PI-specific video backend without X11
16:55:55	raptor	but if you ahve X11, it should work out-of-the-box
16:56:45	fordcars	SDL2
16:56:47	fordcars	?
16:56:54	raptor	yes
16:57:08	raptor	if you run on top of X11 + GLES it should still work without a problem
17:02:41	fordcars	http://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?t=9340&sid=e20595aab01110616efd403ae9d186d0
17:02:48	fordcars	Should I just try this?
17:03:00	raptor	no
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17:03:20	raptor	that is highly experimental, and you still need to compile SDL2 normally
17:03:49	fordcars	Ok, but wjy is the Mighty Google not saying anything about X11 Sdl2 and Pi?
17:04:07	Nothing_Much	fordcars, because there hasn't been a port yet
17:05:37	raptor	I just found another reference that SDL2 compiles fine on RPI
17:06:01	fordcars	I saw some too
17:06:11	raptor	it was just released, so you won't find much else
17:06:15	fordcars	But no x11!
17:07:26	Nothing_Much	What do you mean x11?
17:08:25	fordcars	idn
17:08:51	raptor	X11 is the graphical system on most Linux distros
17:09:00	raptor	it's included on RPI
17:09:20	fordcars	oh THAT
17:09:40	fordcars	LXDE
17:09:49	raptor	LXDE runs on top of X11, yes
17:09:54	fordcars	okokok
17:10:04	fordcars	You think it would run?
17:10:07	raptor	yes
17:10:08	fordcars	compile sdl2
17:10:11	raptor	yes
17:10:17	fordcars	Why?
17:10:37	Nothing_Much	x.x
17:10:55	raptor	why what?
17:11:09	fordcars	??
17:11:23	Nothing_Much	SDL is the lib that renders the.. game right?
17:11:28	fordcars	Yeah
17:11:42	raptor	it's the rendering + event engine, yes
17:11:46	fordcars	SDL2 is the only way to get OpenGl es to work
17:11:53	fordcars	with Bitfighter
17:12:46	Nothing_Much	Ah
17:15:25	fordcars	At this moment, the implementation of X for the Raspberry Pi is unable to do this, and so you can’t use X to provide your surface. I am very sure that this support will be added in time, but until then, people wanting to play with this will have to connect up the OpenGL ES side of things to the display by another method.
17:15:43	raptor	where is that?
17:15:47	raptor	I need to see that in context
17:15:52	fordcars	http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/using-opengl-es-2-0-on-the-raspberry-pi-without-x-windows/
17:17:12	raptor	well...
17:17:14	raptor	that stinks
17:17:53	Nothing_Much	That article was made a year ago
17:19:24	raptor	yeah, but i think it's still valid
17:19:33	raptor	combined with the info from that SDL2 bug report
17:20:04	Nothing_Much	so it's more than just having a development file of libsdl2 and compiling it?
17:20:05	Nothing_Much	:(
17:20:32	fordcars	I guess :(
17:21:22	raptor	yeah... i'm sorry fordcars, you may have to wait until SDL2 compiles with GLES support without X11..
17:21:40	Nothing_Much	wait, only without x11?
17:21:48	Nothing_Much	why not just use x11?
17:22:06	fordcars	http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/using-opengl-es-2-0-on-the-raspberry-pi-without-x-windows/
17:22:23	fordcars	I guess it won't work
17:22:28	fordcars	:(
17:22:40	Nothing_Much	I mean, using x window
17:23:53	Nothing_Much	I'm confused
17:24:07	fordcars	Why do I need SDl 2?
17:24:13	fordcars	Me too
17:25:14	Nothing_Much	Isn't SDL2 for 019?
17:25:50	fordcars	I think raptor said that I need SDl2 to have Open Gl Es
17:25:56	raptor	no, we've been using it since 017 for windows and osx
17:26:58	Nothing_Much	Ohh..
17:28:57	fordcars	http://www.mesa3d.org/
17:29:29	raptor	mesa3d properly provides an OpenGL software implementation if your hardware is missing it
17:29:39	raptor	so actually, fordcars, it may still work if you have Mesa installed
17:30:18	fordcars	@still@
17:30:24	raptor	yep
17:30:24	fordcars	"still"
17:30:28	fordcars	ok
17:30:31	raptor	heh
17:30:35	fordcars	Should I try?
17:30:49	raptor	as long as the mesa installed has a GLES software implementation
17:31:07	fordcars	It will use mesa automatically when I run Bitfighter?
17:31:09	raptor	so i'm curious - what happens now if you try to compile?
17:31:11	raptor	yes
17:31:24	fordcars	It compiles fine?
17:31:58	raptor	i don't know
17:32:00		BFLogBot Commit: fa600da6b028 \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Default to SDL2 on all platforms since the official release. Fallback to SDL 1.2
17:32:02	raptor	i don't have your hardware
17:32:23	fordcars	You don't? :P
17:32:45	raptor	If I did, I would have most assuredly ported bitfighter to it... :)
17:32:48	fordcars	It compiled fine last time, except getting an error of something not supported on my artchitecture
17:32:55	fordcars	:PPPP
17:33:06	raptor	fordcars: any error means it didn't compile fine
17:33:15	fordcars	sorry, warning
17:33:28	raptor	can you tell me the exact error?
17:33:34	fordcars	nope
17:33:40	fordcars	I don't remember!
17:33:42	raptor	no architecture warning is a warning
17:33:46	raptor	it's an error
17:33:48	fordcars	vma(b) or something
17:33:58	fordcars	vpa
17:34:07	fordcars	v*a
17:34:11	raptor	well, you should compile again
17:34:15	raptor	and find out
17:34:18	fordcars	ANOTHER HOUR!
17:34:19	raptor	instead of guess :)
17:34:31	fordcars	Fine,
17:34:35	raptor	did you use the CMake system?
17:34:39	fordcars	Yeah
17:34:52	raptor	and did you remove the compile directories?
17:34:59	fordcars	uh what?
17:35:02	raptor	or did you change any source files?
17:35:05	fordcars	no
17:35:16	raptor	ok, then just run 'make' again and see what happens
17:35:22	raptor	in the 'build' directory
17:35:59	fordcars	make /bla/bla/bla/build/bitfighter
17:36:01	fordcars	?
17:36:15	raptor	no
17:36:22	raptor	cd blah...blah/build
17:36:26	raptor	then
17:36:29	raptor	make bitfighter
17:37:42	fordcars	make -j2
17:37:44	fordcars	?
17:37:54	raptor	if you have two processors, then sure
17:38:01	raptor	is it a dual core?
17:38:02	fordcars	????????????????????
17:38:08	fordcars	KAEN TOLD ME TO DO THAT
17:38:14	fordcars	its single processor
17:38:17	raptor	that doesn't matter
17:38:18	raptor	oh
17:38:25	raptor	ok, if only one core/processor
17:38:27	raptor	don't do -j2
17:38:38	fordcars	ok make bitfighter
17:38:42	raptor	y
17:38:48	Nothing_Much	fordcars, if it's a dual core, then that's fine, it just makes the process move faster
17:39:00	fordcars	ok thanks :)
17:42:15	fordcars	mcd /build
17:42:16	fordcars	make
17:43:20	fordcars	ok done
17:43:27	raptor	any warnings?
17:43:35	fordcars	No
17:43:51	raptor	and it put an executable file in the exe folder?
17:43:52	fordcars	Ok it didn't rebuild completely
17:44:22	fordcars	Yeah, there is the exe
17:44:46	raptor	yeah, cmake is smart and won't have you rebuild every file if it's not needed
17:45:03	raptor	there is a 'bitfighter' binary file in the 'exe' folder?
17:45:13	raptor	if so, what happens if you run it?
17:45:15	fordcars	Yeah
17:46:05	fordcars	Welcome to Bitfighter! Failure (1) loading sound file '/usr/share/bitfighter/sfx/phaser.wav': Game will proceed without sound. Setting display mode failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
17:46:16	raptor	oh good
17:46:39	fordcars	AL lib: ReleaseALC: 1 device not closed
17:46:43	fordcars	When I quit
17:46:52	raptor	that's OK
17:46:54	fordcars	ok
17:47:01	raptor	the main issue is the GLX piece..
17:47:07	fordcars	I have to go, I'll be back in hour
17:47:17	raptor	you need to install 'libgl1-mesa-swx11'
17:47:18	fordcars	I guess I really need sdl2 or something
17:47:35	fordcars	Ok I'll do that when I get back
17:47:37	raptor	ok
17:47:39	raptor	bye
17:47:42	fordcars	Is that mesa 3d?
17:47:46	raptor	yes
17:47:49	fordcars	OK
17:47:54	raptor	the software renderer
17:48:02	fordcars	Later! And Thanks!
17:48:12	fordcars	Ok
17:49:54	Nothing_Much	That's the software renderer
17:49:58	Nothing_Much	Why use that?
17:50:08	Nothing_Much	It's gonna be painfully slow
17:50:10	raptor	because it's the only way it'll work
17:50:22	raptor	two chioces: work slowly, or not work
17:57:07	Nothing_Much	yeah that's true
17:57:20	Nothing_Much	software apparently can do everything, just at an unplayable framerate
17:57:47	Nothing_Much	but he's just testing out right? once sdl 2 gets a proper port, it'll be known whether to work or not on the pi, right?
18:08:54	raptor	theoretically
18:10:35	Nothing_Much	wouldn't hurt to try, right? the hardware is left alone?
18:10:54	raptor	doesn't hurt
18:11:43	Nothing_Much	ah, because I thought lag would equal to using a lot of hardware resources, despite it claiming to use software
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18:32:10	fordcars_pi	Bitfighter works!
18:32:18	fordcars_pi	But it's painfully slow
18:32:19	Nothing_Much	fordcars_pi, Cool!
18:32:23	fordcars_pi	But it works!
18:32:26	Nothing_Much	Yeah, software rendering does that
18:32:35	Nothing_Much	But that's awesome news
18:33:02	Nothing_Much	If or whenever I get myself a Pi (gonna need to figure out how to plug it in) I shall test it out there
18:33:21	fordcars_pi	I get like 1 fps
18:33:36	Nothing_Much	Yeah, that's software rendering for ya
18:34:40	fordcars_pi	Actually I get 3! Wow!
18:36:21	fordcars_pi	Now I get 5! Wower!
18:36:58	Nothing_Much	Really now?
18:37:04	fordcars_pi	6.5
18:37:07	fordcars_pi	:d
18:37:10	fordcars_pi	*D
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18:37:25	fordcars_pi	I made the Bitfighter window smaller, though
18:37:35	Nothing_Much	Keeps increasing? Perhaps you should not keep playing it for now, is the pi heating up?
18:38:35	fordcars_pi	No it's not getting faster
18:38:52	fordcars_pi	I made the window quite smaller :)
18:39:05	Nothing_Much	Ah, but what about the Pi? Is it heating up or is it alright?
18:40:07	fordcars_pi	It can't really heat up that much, I built Bitfighter and it took an hour, using all of the CPU, but it wasn';t really warm
18:40:23	Nothing_Much	Ah, that's good
18:40:28	fordcars_pi	Anyway, gtg for now, but I'll be bcak soon probably :)
18:40:33	fordcars_pi	Thanks!
18:40:35	Nothing_Much	Alright, l8r then!
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19:29:12	raptor	kaen: do you have your buildbot configuration files saved somewhere? I think I'd like to try and set one up...
19:29:21	raptor	or maybe...
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19:45:02	Nothing_Much	oh raptor, fordcars said it worked
19:45:12	raptor	i saw
19:45:13	raptor	great!
19:45:34	Nothing_Much	Awesome
19:49:28	Nothing_Much	Is there a "set default keys" section in the options?
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20:00:56	bobdaduck	Man M14 drafts are worthless
20:01:05	bobdaduck	Return to ravnica is such a better set
20:01:33	bobdaduck	IZZET ALL THE WAY
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20:04:17	Nothing_Much	oh darn, there isn't
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