#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2014-03-19

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00:27:53 Watusimoto YoshiSmb_m: prob. not
00:39:15 YoshiSmb_m oh, but if you get a chance.
00:39:41 YoshiSmb_m *cough* not busy *cough*
01:03:23 Watusimoto night
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02:32:46 Nothing_Much fordcars: how did you setup an apache server?
02:33:31 fordcars Nothing_Much: if it showed up in your browser, it's all done
02:33:35 fordcars :)
02:39:33 Nothing_Much fordcars: yeah that's true
02:39:34 Nothing_Much but
02:39:40 Nothing_Much I can't figure out the permissions bs stuff
02:39:42 Nothing_Much but whatever
02:39:46 Nothing_Much I gotta do some homework now
02:40:37 fordcars Oh ok :P
02:40:42 fordcars I guess you can do sudo
02:40:55 Nothing_Much Well it's not like that
02:40:56 Nothing_Much It's more like
02:41:03 fordcars chmod>
02:41:03 Nothing_Much How to get wordpress to run properly
02:41:07 fordcars Oh I don't know
02:41:20 fordcars I never used WordPress, I always handwritten html :P
02:41:27 Nothing_Much Ah
02:41:44 Nothing_Much Well hopefully I remember what the steps are to set up apache
02:42:11 Nothing_Much I wanna see if I can help out the bitfighter website a little
02:42:23 Nothing_Much So I'm gonna do a little mockup of the bitpress site
02:42:52 Nothing_Much as soon as I get it running
02:42:54 Nothing_Much but for now
02:42:56 Nothing_Much homework
02:42:58 fordcars Ahhh okokok
02:43:00 Nothing_Much off to google
02:43:01 fordcars Sweet :)
02:43:08 fordcars Off to the shower!
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04:18:05 Nothing_Much fordcars:
04:18:22 fordcars Yes?
04:19:43 Nothing_Much Do you have any idea why PHP would just want to stop working for you?
04:21:31 fordcars Uh, no? What's up?
04:22:11 Nothing_Much php files won't open
04:22:18 Nothing_Much they just prompt a download popup in firefox
04:22:33 Nothing_Much (I'm about to throw a tantrum at 12:30am)
04:22:49 fordcars Uh
04:22:52 fordcars Php is server side
04:23:11 raptor you need to install or enable mod_php in apache
04:23:19 Nothing_Much I'm using a localhost thing
04:24:07 fordcars It's still the same thing I think
04:24:28 raptor you need to install or enable mod_php in apache
04:24:41 Nothing_Much right.. I believe that's installed
04:24:44 Nothing_Much And enabled
04:25:00 raptor it's not enabled if a php prompts you for a download
04:25:43 Nothing_Much Module php5 already enabled
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04:43:39 fordcars Try to embed it in Html?
04:43:49 raptor oh
04:44:13 fordcars Oh probably not for WordPress
04:44:27 raptor have you restarted since enabling it?
04:44:42 raptor also, apache logs are usually informative
04:54:35 raptor night!
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04:54:50 Nothing_Much okay
04:54:58 Nothing_Much so I'm gonna reinstall this whole shabang again
04:55:02 Nothing_Much or shebang
04:55:07 Nothing_Much however you spell it
05:15:13 fordcars Night!
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06:36:19 tazinator trollbots can see me when I'm cloaked!!!!
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14:31:09 Nothing_Much did someone take a look at this at one point? http://www.openfl.org/
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15:09:51 kaen Nothing_Much: I just got done hacking on that for my last contract :)
15:10:22 kaen Another company paid me to add the Stereoscopic 3D Support in the latest release
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15:16:21 Nothing_Much kaen: nice dude!
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17:56:08 no_mu alright so my install of php was a bit screwy, had to reinstall, hopefully after that I can finally remember how to set up a database and attempt wordpress!
17:56:20 no_mu once I get back from college that is
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18:59:23 raptor neat!:  https://github.com/ValveSoftware/ToGL
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19:58:21 no_mu raptor: you didn't see toGL before?
19:58:29 raptor nope
19:58:49 no_mu oh, well that's all it does, it brings directx to opengl through a translation layer or something
19:59:00 no_mu but it does look neat
19:59:18 raptor yeah, that's great!  maybe we'll see more games quickly ported to Linux
19:59:29 no_mu from a consumer standpoint as well so that possible legacy games can be used on - yeah!
20:00:43 no_mu the best part is that Valve made it :P
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20:17:26 no_mu Hi bobdaduck
20:17:34 bobdaduck hullo
20:18:05 no_mu what's going on?
20:19:17 bobdaduck I'm playing dwarf fortress
20:19:29 YoshiSmb_m hey sir. duck
20:19:30 no_mu isn't that that extremely complex cli game?
20:20:17 bobdaduck Yep!
20:20:22 bobdaduck hi yoshi
20:20:27 YoshiSmb_m :)
20:20:37 no_mu oh my goodness
20:22:38 no_mu that game's description..
20:23:04 bobdaduck lol, where?
20:23:15 no_mu uh..
20:23:22 no_mu more like a "how to play"
20:24:14 YoshiSmb_m ducky, can you give me a link to dwarf fortress?
20:24:18 no_mu it's giving me a headache
20:24:32 no_mu http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/
20:24:34 no_mu YoshiSmb_m: ^
20:24:43 YoshiSmb_m ty
20:24:44 no_mu you're gonna need a keyboard/mouse for that
20:24:58 bobdaduck actually just keyboard
20:25:05 no_mu what?
20:25:07 no_mu oh dear
20:25:17 no_mu unless it's a platform or sonic the hedgehog game
20:25:23 no_mu wait
20:25:38 no_mu what genre is dwarf fortress anyways?
20:26:11 bobdaduck uh
20:26:16 bobdaduck uhhhhh
20:26:18 bobdaduck UHHHHHHHHH
20:26:30 no_mu you build things?
20:26:41 bobdaduck KIND of?
20:27:37 no_mu so it's like a CLI minecraft?
20:28:13 no_mu to wikipedia!
20:28:20 bobdaduck Yeah
20:28:24 bobdaduck kind of like minecraft
20:28:27 bobdaduck except like
20:28:29 bobdaduck x20
20:28:45 no_mu x20 what?
20:30:20 bobdaduck times twenty
20:30:55 no_mu oh
20:30:56 no_mu right
20:30:57 no_mu well
20:31:14 no_mu I thought you were about to say x20 *text* or somethign
20:32:03 YoshiSmb_m FOR THE GOD OF QUARTZ!?!?
20:32:19 YoshiSmb_m dos?
20:32:42 bobdaduck command line interface
20:33:07 no_mu yeah
20:33:23 YoshiSmb_m online or offline?
20:33:27 no_mu offline I think
20:33:36 no_mu but I'll stick to kiss games
20:33:46 no_mu because I'm easily confused
20:34:10 YoshiSmb_m this is really complex
20:34:21 no_mu it is yeah
20:34:26 no_mu what's it say?
20:35:22 YoshiSmb_m the less complex game in the world, it's: Pong
20:35:42 no_mu hmm..
20:35:47 no_mu I might try the game out
20:35:51 no_mu hopefully I don't get too confused
20:36:01 YoshiSmb_m or the: Super Bobdaduck brothers
20:36:29 bobdaduck lol
20:36:31 YoshiSmb_m wait
20:36:46 bobdaduck I think dwarf fortress may have the steepest learning curve of any game
20:36:48 bobdaduck ...ever
20:37:04 no_mu alongside some other game which.. I can't remember the name for..
20:37:18 no_mu oh yeah
20:37:19 no_mu dota 2
20:37:21 raptor Stars!
20:37:26 bobdaduck dota isn't that bad
20:37:36 no_mu dota 2 on steam?
20:37:43 bobdaduck yeah
20:37:57 no_mu oh man that game was hard and I had no idea what to do
20:37:59 bobdaduck Its just like league and HoN
20:38:05 no_mu but apparently it's the most popular game on steam
20:38:09 no_mu HoN sucks though
20:38:22 bobdaduck they all suck!
20:38:24 no_mu dota 2 I don't think I can say anything because I've only ever played it once
20:38:38 no_mu and was confused as hell
20:38:46 no_mu ..
20:38:49 no_mu yeah you're right dota 2 sucks
20:39:15 bobdaduck lol
20:39:22 raptor those games have a steep learning curve because no one is kind enough to teach you or spare your newbie life
20:39:33 raptor not because they're hard
20:39:34 bobdaduck ^^
20:40:03 no_mu HoN is the worst contendor of that
20:40:25 no_mu because most players there tell newbies to either go away or kill yourself
20:40:29 bobdaduck Its the entire genre
20:40:35 bobdaduck Same happens in Dota and league
20:40:42 no_mu really?
20:40:45 bobdaduck I think league is a little better but not enough to actually have merit
20:40:52 no_mu Well then
20:41:01 YoshiSmb_m and wesnoth is easy
20:41:27 no_mu is that an RTS?
20:41:30 bobdaduck League is probably the most newbie friendly, but that honestly doesn't mean much when you compare how bad it is to other game
20:41:31 no_mu or a MOBA?
20:41:48 no_mu YoshiSmb_m: is Wesnoth an RTS or MOBA?
20:42:08 raptor hard, turn-based games are the most thought-provoking ones
20:42:49 no_mu the only RTS I've ever played and thoroughly enjoyed was Warlords Battlecry 2
20:42:51 YoshiSmb_m ¿¿¿???
20:43:01 raptor wesnoth is turn-based; it's not too hard to learn, but it can be hard to play some of the campaigns
20:43:16 no_mu ew
20:43:17 no_mu turn based
20:43:20 bobdaduck lol
20:43:25 YoshiSmb_m RTS & MOBA?
20:43:25 YoshiSmb_m yea
20:43:42 no_mu real time strategy and multiplayer online battle arena are different from what I've heard
20:43:53 no_mu the only difference I know of is that RTS's have more than one map
20:43:57 no_mu at least when compared to Dota 2
20:44:37 raptor MOBA is a subset of RTS
20:44:46 YoshiSmb_m the only pain for you on multiplayer
20:44:49 YoshiSmb_m it's that you need to wait like 5 or 10 minutes for you turn
20:44:57 bobdaduck MOBA is when you only have one character you control
20:45:09 no_mu ouch
20:45:11 raptor I play network, turn-based games...
20:45:14 raptor over months
20:45:18 raptor :)
20:45:24 raptor like Stars!
20:45:24 bobdaduck lol
20:45:24 no_mu raptor: facebook scrabble?
20:45:37 raptor I'm on my 3rd game since September with my brother
20:45:43 bobdaduck No he means chess by mail
20:45:48 raptor ^^
20:46:03 no_mu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars!#Developer_and_publisher
20:46:04 YoshiSmb_m hey, one day i challenge you to wesnoth
20:46:06 no_mu this Stars!?
20:46:51 raptor yes, that's the one
20:47:06 no_mu oo! is that a dos game you play in dosbox?
20:47:06 raptor here's where all the info is nowadays:  http://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Main_Page
20:47:16 raptor actually, it's windows 3.1 !
20:47:39 no_mu so you can play it on dosbox? o.o
20:47:41 raptor 16-bit game, we play in WINE because it can't run on Windows 7
20:48:11 no_mu wine needs to not screw up on my installs
20:48:15 no_mu of it
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20:48:27 raptor i've never had a problem with WINE in years
20:48:30 no_mu though with a dos game it might not be that bad or hard to configure
20:48:37 no_mu yeah last I used it was in 2011
20:48:37 raptor i mean, other than getting things to run
20:48:54 bobdaduck lol
20:49:25 no_mu sometimes wine would keep a wineprefix even when I completely purge or remove it
20:49:32 no_mu and the menu's would screw up horrifically
20:49:38 no_mu and make ubuntu's dash look fugly
20:50:14 no_mu those were the days of winecfg
20:50:30 no_mu brb gotta do something
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20:54:07 YoshiSmb_m ducky, do you play wesnoth
20:54:36 YoshiSmb_m ?
20:55:06 bobdaduck haven't heard of it
20:55:33 YoshiSmb_m check it out
20:57:52 YoshiSmb_m so, how many nicknames do you have bobdaduck?
20:58:11 bobdaduck zillions
20:58:19 YoshiSmb_m i call you: ducky or sir. duck
20:58:28 bobdaduck yep
20:58:54 YoshiSmb_m LA call you:
21:04:26 bobdaduck LA call me?
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21:10:45 YoshiSmb_m did LA give you a nickname?
21:14:51 no_mu guys
21:14:55 no_mu when people join my server
21:15:03 no_mu the ping jumps from 67 to 470
21:15:07 no_mu what's going on?
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21:20:52 bobdaduck You're under attack
21:21:08 bobdaduck No kidding I have no idea
21:21:47 no_mu okay there's definitely something wrong with the server..
21:21:51 YoshiSmb_m lol
21:21:52 bobdaduck this is from host-game?
21:22:01 no_mu bobdaduck: it's a dedicated server
21:22:08 bobdaduck ahm.
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21:22:35 bobdaduck Does your ping stay at 470 or just spike?
21:22:48 no_mu spikes mostly
21:24:33 no_mu kaen: did you have similar problems when you had your server?
21:25:48 raptor no_mu: is it on a wireless connection?
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21:26:06 no_mu the dedicated server or the client?
21:26:41 raptor ah...  spikes
21:26:48 no_mu because when I saw 3 people join my server the ping jumped straight to ~470 ping!
21:27:04 raptor ok - that may be an inherent issue with the VPS
21:27:27 no_mu well I restarted it
21:27:40 no_mu didn't seem to help
21:27:42 no_mu hmm...
21:27:44 raptor network latency tends to do spikes like that on a VPS, since network is shared between many other VPSes
21:28:03 no_mu oh crap
21:28:08 no_mu that doesn't sound good
21:28:09 raptor but not always
21:28:35 raptor depends on the host software of the VPS - we had a similar issue with the old master server VPS
21:28:50 raptor I don't remember if it was fixable
21:29:37 no_mu hopefully my 12$ wasn't for nothing >.>
21:33:31 no_mu oh my goodness the lag is insane...
21:35:47 raptor do you knwo if you're using openvz or xen as the host VPS software?
21:35:47 no_mu what should I say in my support ticket?
21:35:52 no_mu openvz
21:36:14 no_mu raptor: ^
21:37:42 no_mu is openvz not that good? because that's all I could afford..
21:38:03 raptor I'm not sure - but I see people online saying openvz is common to have the network spikes
21:38:11 raptor still looking for solutions...
21:38:17 no_mu ohh
21:38:18 no_mu okay
21:38:26 no_mu lemme look as well..
21:48:21 no_mu Should I open a support ticket? If so, what should I say? Something along the lines of "Getting lag spikes from game I'm hosting"?
21:49:35 no_mu raptor: ^
21:55:39 no_mu Opening a ticket, brb
21:58:19 no_mu Opened now I'll bbl
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00:27:53	Watusimoto	YoshiSmb_m: prob. not
00:39:15	YoshiSmb_m	oh, but if you get a chance.
00:39:41	YoshiSmb_m	cough not busy cough
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02:32:46	Nothing_Much	fordcars: how did you setup an apache server?
02:33:31	fordcars	Nothing_Much: if it showed up in your browser, it's all done
02:33:35	fordcars	:)
02:39:33	Nothing_Much	fordcars: yeah that's true
02:39:34	Nothing_Much	but
02:39:40	Nothing_Much	I can't figure out the permissions bs stuff
02:39:42	Nothing_Much	but whatever
02:39:46	Nothing_Much	I gotta do some homework now
02:40:37	fordcars	Oh ok :P
02:40:42	fordcars	I guess you can do sudo
02:40:55	Nothing_Much	Well it's not like that
02:40:56	Nothing_Much	It's more like
02:41:03	fordcars	chmod>
02:41:03	Nothing_Much	How to get wordpress to run properly
02:41:07	fordcars	Oh I don't know
02:41:20	fordcars	I never used WordPress, I always handwritten html :P
02:41:27	Nothing_Much	Ah
02:41:44	Nothing_Much	Well hopefully I remember what the steps are to set up apache
02:42:11	Nothing_Much	I wanna see if I can help out the bitfighter website a little
02:42:23	Nothing_Much	So I'm gonna do a little mockup of the bitpress site
02:42:52	Nothing_Much	as soon as I get it running
02:42:54	Nothing_Much	but for now
02:42:56	Nothing_Much	homework
02:42:58	fordcars	Ahhh okokok
02:43:00	Nothing_Much	off to google
02:43:01	fordcars	Sweet :)
02:43:08	fordcars	Off to the shower!
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04:18:05	Nothing_Much	fordcars:
04:18:22	fordcars	Yes?
04:19:43	Nothing_Much	Do you have any idea why PHP would just want to stop working for you?
04:21:31	fordcars	Uh, no? What's up?
04:22:11	Nothing_Much	php files won't open
04:22:18	Nothing_Much	they just prompt a download popup in firefox
04:22:33	Nothing_Much	(I'm about to throw a tantrum at 12:30am)
04:22:49	fordcars	Uh
04:22:52	fordcars	Php is server side
04:23:11	raptor	you need to install or enable mod_php in apache
04:23:19	Nothing_Much	I'm using a localhost thing
04:24:07	fordcars	It's still the same thing I think
04:24:28	raptor	you need to install or enable mod_php in apache
04:24:41	Nothing_Much	right.. I believe that's installed
04:24:44	Nothing_Much	And enabled
04:25:00	raptor	it's not enabled if a php prompts you for a download
04:25:43	Nothing_Much	Module php5 already enabled
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04:43:39	fordcars	Try to embed it in Html?
04:43:49	raptor	oh
04:44:13	fordcars	Oh probably not for WordPress
04:44:27	raptor	have you restarted since enabling it?
04:44:42	raptor	also, apache logs are usually informative
04:54:35	raptor	night!
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04:54:50	Nothing_Much	okay
04:54:58	Nothing_Much	so I'm gonna reinstall this whole shabang again
04:55:02	Nothing_Much	or shebang
04:55:07	Nothing_Much	however you spell it
05:15:13	fordcars	Night!
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06:36:19	tazinator	trollbots can see me when I'm cloaked!!!!
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14:31:09	Nothing_Much	did someone take a look at this at one point? http://www.openfl.org/
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15:09:51	kaen	Nothing_Much: I just got done hacking on that for my last contract :)
15:10:22	kaen	Another company paid me to add the Stereoscopic 3D Support in the latest release
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15:16:21	Nothing_Much	kaen: nice dude!
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17:56:08	no_mu	alright so my install of php was a bit screwy, had to reinstall, hopefully after that I can finally remember how to set up a database and attempt wordpress!
17:56:20	no_mu	once I get back from college that is
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18:59:23	raptor	neat!: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/ToGL
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19:58:21	no_mu	raptor: you didn't see toGL before?
19:58:29	raptor	nope
19:58:49	no_mu	oh, well that's all it does, it brings directx to opengl through a translation layer or something
19:59:00	no_mu	but it does look neat
19:59:18	raptor	yeah, that's great! maybe we'll see more games quickly ported to Linux
19:59:29	no_mu	from a consumer standpoint as well so that possible legacy games can be used on - yeah!
20:00:43	no_mu	the best part is that Valve made it :P
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20:17:26	no_mu	Hi bobdaduck
20:17:34	bobdaduck	hullo
20:18:05	no_mu	what's going on?
20:19:17	bobdaduck	I'm playing dwarf fortress
20:19:29	YoshiSmb_m	hey sir. duck
20:19:30	no_mu	isn't that that extremely complex cli game?
20:20:17	bobdaduck	Yep!
20:20:22	bobdaduck	hi yoshi
20:20:27	YoshiSmb_m	:)
20:20:37	no_mu	oh my goodness
20:22:38	no_mu	that game's description..
20:23:04	bobdaduck	lol, where?
20:23:15	no_mu	uh..
20:23:22	no_mu	more like a "how to play"
20:24:14	YoshiSmb_m	ducky, can you give me a link to dwarf fortress?
20:24:18	no_mu	it's giving me a headache
20:24:32	no_mu	http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/
20:24:34	no_mu	YoshiSmb_m: ^
20:24:43	YoshiSmb_m	ty
20:24:44	no_mu	you're gonna need a keyboard/mouse for that
20:24:58	bobdaduck	actually just keyboard
20:25:05	no_mu	what?
20:25:07	no_mu	oh dear
20:25:17	no_mu	unless it's a platform or sonic the hedgehog game
20:25:23	no_mu	wait
20:25:38	no_mu	what genre is dwarf fortress anyways?
20:26:11	bobdaduck	uh
20:26:16	bobdaduck	uhhhhh
20:26:18	bobdaduck	UHHHHHHHHH
20:26:30	no_mu	you build things?
20:26:41	bobdaduck	KIND of?
20:27:37	no_mu	so it's like a CLI minecraft?
20:28:13	no_mu	to wikipedia!
20:28:20	bobdaduck	Yeah
20:28:24	bobdaduck	kind of like minecraft
20:28:27	bobdaduck	except like
20:28:29	bobdaduck	x20
20:28:45	no_mu	x20 what?
20:30:20	bobdaduck	times twenty
20:30:55	no_mu	oh
20:30:56	no_mu	right
20:30:57	no_mu	well
20:31:14	no_mu	I thought you were about to say x20 text or somethign
20:32:03	YoshiSmb_m	FOR THE GOD OF QUARTZ!?!?
20:32:19	YoshiSmb_m	dos?
20:32:42	bobdaduck	command line interface
20:33:07	no_mu	yeah
20:33:23	YoshiSmb_m	online or offline?
20:33:27	no_mu	offline I think
20:33:36	no_mu	but I'll stick to kiss games
20:33:46	no_mu	because I'm easily confused
20:34:10	YoshiSmb_m	this is really complex
20:34:21	no_mu	it is yeah
20:34:26	no_mu	what's it say?
20:35:22	YoshiSmb_m	the less complex game in the world, it's: Pong
20:35:42	no_mu	hmm..
20:35:47	no_mu	I might try the game out
20:35:51	no_mu	hopefully I don't get too confused
20:36:01	YoshiSmb_m	or the: Super Bobdaduck brothers
20:36:29	bobdaduck	lol
20:36:31	YoshiSmb_m	wait
20:36:46	bobdaduck	I think dwarf fortress may have the steepest learning curve of any game
20:36:48	bobdaduck	...ever
20:37:04	no_mu	alongside some other game which.. I can't remember the name for..
20:37:18	no_mu	oh yeah
20:37:19	no_mu	dota 2
20:37:21	raptor	Stars!
20:37:26	bobdaduck	dota isn't that bad
20:37:36	no_mu	dota 2 on steam?
20:37:43	bobdaduck	yeah
20:37:57	no_mu	oh man that game was hard and I had no idea what to do
20:37:59	bobdaduck	Its just like league and HoN
20:38:05	no_mu	but apparently it's the most popular game on steam
20:38:09	no_mu	HoN sucks though
20:38:22	bobdaduck	they all suck!
20:38:24	no_mu	dota 2 I don't think I can say anything because I've only ever played it once
20:38:38	no_mu	and was confused as hell
20:38:46	no_mu	..
20:38:49	no_mu	yeah you're right dota 2 sucks
20:39:15	bobdaduck	lol
20:39:22	raptor	those games have a steep learning curve because no one is kind enough to teach you or spare your newbie life
20:39:33	raptor	not because they're hard
20:39:34	bobdaduck	^^
20:40:03	no_mu	HoN is the worst contendor of that
20:40:25	no_mu	because most players there tell newbies to either go away or kill yourself
20:40:29	bobdaduck	Its the entire genre
20:40:35	bobdaduck	Same happens in Dota and league
20:40:42	no_mu	really?
20:40:45	bobdaduck	I think league is a little better but not enough to actually have merit
20:40:52	no_mu	Well then
20:41:01	YoshiSmb_m	and wesnoth is easy
20:41:27	no_mu	is that an RTS?
20:41:30	bobdaduck	League is probably the most newbie friendly, but that honestly doesn't mean much when you compare how bad it is to other game
20:41:31	no_mu	or a MOBA?
20:41:48	no_mu	YoshiSmb_m: is Wesnoth an RTS or MOBA?
20:42:08	raptor	hard, turn-based games are the most thought-provoking ones
20:42:49	no_mu	the only RTS I've ever played and thoroughly enjoyed was Warlords Battlecry 2
20:42:51	YoshiSmb_m	¿¿¿???
20:43:01	raptor	wesnoth is turn-based; it's not too hard to learn, but it can be hard to play some of the campaigns
20:43:16	no_mu	ew
20:43:17	no_mu	turn based
20:43:20	bobdaduck	lol
20:43:25	YoshiSmb_m	RTS & MOBA?
20:43:25	YoshiSmb_m	yea
20:43:42	no_mu	real time strategy and multiplayer online battle arena are different from what I've heard
20:43:53	no_mu	the only difference I know of is that RTS's have more than one map
20:43:57	no_mu	at least when compared to Dota 2
20:44:37	raptor	MOBA is a subset of RTS
20:44:46	YoshiSmb_m	the only pain for you on multiplayer
20:44:49	YoshiSmb_m	it's that you need to wait like 5 or 10 minutes for you turn
20:44:57	bobdaduck	MOBA is when you only have one character you control
20:45:09	no_mu	ouch
20:45:11	raptor	I play network, turn-based games...
20:45:14	raptor	over months
20:45:18	raptor	:)
20:45:24	raptor	like Stars!
20:45:24	bobdaduck	lol
20:45:24	no_mu	raptor: facebook scrabble?
20:45:37	raptor	I'm on my 3rd game since September with my brother
20:45:43	bobdaduck	No he means chess by mail
20:45:48	raptor	^^
20:46:03	no_mu	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars!#Developer_and_publisher
20:46:04	YoshiSmb_m	hey, one day i challenge you to wesnoth
20:46:06	no_mu	this Stars!?
20:46:51	raptor	yes, that's the one
20:47:06	no_mu	oo! is that a dos game you play in dosbox?
20:47:06	raptor	here's where all the info is nowadays: http://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Main_Page
20:47:16	raptor	actually, it's windows 3.1 !
20:47:39	no_mu	so you can play it on dosbox? o.o
20:47:41	raptor	16-bit game, we play in WINE because it can't run on Windows 7
20:48:11	no_mu	wine needs to not screw up on my installs
20:48:15	no_mu	of it
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20:48:27	raptor	i've never had a problem with WINE in years
20:48:30	no_mu	though with a dos game it might not be that bad or hard to configure
20:48:37	no_mu	yeah last I used it was in 2011
20:48:37	raptor	i mean, other than getting things to run
20:48:54	bobdaduck	lol
20:49:25	no_mu	sometimes wine would keep a wineprefix even when I completely purge or remove it
20:49:32	no_mu	and the menu's would screw up horrifically
20:49:38	no_mu	and make ubuntu's dash look fugly
20:50:14	no_mu	those were the days of winecfg
20:50:30	no_mu	brb gotta do something
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20:54:07	YoshiSmb_m	ducky, do you play wesnoth
20:54:36	YoshiSmb_m	?
20:55:06	bobdaduck	haven't heard of it
20:55:33	YoshiSmb_m	check it out
20:57:52	YoshiSmb_m	so, how many nicknames do you have bobdaduck?
20:58:11	bobdaduck	zillions
20:58:19	YoshiSmb_m	i call you: ducky or sir. duck
20:58:28	bobdaduck	yep
20:58:54	YoshiSmb_m	LA call you:
21:04:26	bobdaduck	LA call me?
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21:14:51	no_mu	guys
21:14:55	no_mu	when people join my server
21:15:03	no_mu	the ping jumps from 67 to 470
21:15:07	no_mu	what's going on?
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21:20:52	bobdaduck	You're under attack
21:21:08	bobdaduck	No kidding I have no idea
21:21:47	no_mu	okay there's definitely something wrong with the server..
21:21:51	YoshiSmb_m	lol
21:21:52	bobdaduck	this is from host-game?
21:22:01	no_mu	bobdaduck: it's a dedicated server
21:22:08	bobdaduck	ahm.
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21:22:35	bobdaduck	Does your ping stay at 470 or just spike?
21:22:48	no_mu	spikes mostly
21:24:33	no_mu	kaen: did you have similar problems when you had your server?
21:25:48	raptor	no_mu: is it on a wireless connection?
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21:26:06	no_mu	the dedicated server or the client?
21:26:41	raptor	ah... spikes
21:26:48	no_mu	because when I saw 3 people join my server the ping jumped straight to ~470 ping!
21:27:04	raptor	ok - that may be an inherent issue with the VPS
21:27:27	no_mu	well I restarted it
21:27:40	no_mu	didn't seem to help
21:27:42	no_mu	hmm...
21:27:44	raptor	network latency tends to do spikes like that on a VPS, since network is shared between many other VPSes
21:28:03	no_mu	oh crap
21:28:08	no_mu	that doesn't sound good
21:28:09	raptor	but not always
21:28:35	raptor	depends on the host software of the VPS - we had a similar issue with the old master server VPS
21:28:50	raptor	I don't remember if it was fixable
21:29:37	no_mu	hopefully my 12$ wasn't for nothing >.>
21:33:31	no_mu	oh my goodness the lag is insane...
21:35:47	raptor	do you knwo if you're using openvz or xen as the host VPS software?
21:35:47	no_mu	what should I say in my support ticket?
21:35:52	no_mu	openvz
21:36:14	no_mu	raptor: ^
21:37:42	no_mu	is openvz not that good? because that's all I could afford..
21:38:03	raptor	I'm not sure - but I see people online saying openvz is common to have the network spikes
21:38:11	raptor	still looking for solutions...
21:38:17	no_mu	ohh
21:38:18	no_mu	okay
21:38:26	no_mu	lemme look as well..
21:48:21	no_mu	Should I open a support ticket? If so, what should I say? Something along the lines of "Getting lag spikes from game I'm hosting"?
21:49:35	no_mu	raptor: ^
21:55:39	no_mu	Opening a ticket, brb
21:58:19	no_mu	Opened now I'll bbl
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