#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2014-11-05

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02:04:11 raptor and it even works!
02:04:13 raptor ok good night
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13:05:15 raptor we need some good high resolution graphics of the bitfighter ship
13:28:12 raptor watusimoto: I'm attempting to make an SVG of the ship so it can be used as a template for high-quality bitmap images in the future.  Here is my current file:  http://sam6.25u.com/upload/ship2.svg
13:28:20 raptor question - should I remove some of the health bars?
13:33:56 raptor here it is, angled, with less health:  http://sam6.25u.com/upload/ship_blue_angled_low_health.svg
13:43:29 watusimoto hi, good morning
13:43:35 raptor hi
13:44:22 watusimoto I'd leave the health on full
13:44:37 watusimoto perhaps reduce the flames a tad
13:44:54 raptor so that is a direct opengl-to-svg output
13:45:04 watusimoto I believe it is "correct"
13:45:07 raptor so very, very accurate
13:45:18 watusimoto but it would probably look better at 80% thrust
13:45:28 raptor ok
13:45:54 raptor I was tinkering with the windows installers and was trying to set icons/banners/backgrounds
13:45:59 watusimoto yes?
13:46:04 raptor and noticed that we are not at all consistent with our graphics
13:46:08 watusimoto no
13:46:11 watusimoto they are not
13:46:12 raptor and many are very poor quality
13:46:30 raptor so I decided to make this SVG as a starting template
13:46:42 watusimoto possibly true -- they were created long ago at a time when they were not much of a priority
13:46:49 watusimoto compared to making an installer that worked
13:46:59 watusimoto I have an idea for a t-shirt design
13:47:25 raptor i was thinking, for the sake of consistency, what should our ship color be for the icons across all platforms?
13:47:31 raptor red?
13:47:44 watusimoto I think we can do different colors for different purposes
13:47:49 raptor i agree
13:47:52 watusimoto red is clearly the iconic color, so it should be the primary
13:48:01 raptor ok, red for icons
13:48:18 watusimoto Green also looks nice... perhaps we could use that for the notifier
13:48:36 watusimoto or, better, make the notifier green when there's palyers, red when not!
13:48:46 raptor feature creep!
13:48:56 raptor but that's an excellent idea...
13:48:59 watusimoto yes, future development idea
13:49:07 watusimoto but since we're mapping out colors...
13:49:46 watusimoto but red for the game itself
13:49:53 watusimoto we're using green for the website currently
13:50:26 watusimoto notfier can be red/green (in future)
13:50:36 watusimoto does that leave too much reliance on too few colors?
13:51:35 watusimoto btw, how hard would it be to create an svg image of your citiadel level?
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13:52:28 raptor what was my citadel level?
13:52:47 raptor I added screenshot->SVG support in a temporary clone
13:52:58 raptor it uses a library called gl2ps
13:53:15 watusimoto isn't that what your fancy fortress-like level was called?
13:53:28 raptor here is my screenshot where i got the ship:  http://sam6.25u.com/upload/export_0.svg
13:53:29 raptor oh...
13:53:31 raptor uhh
13:53:34 raptor 'bastion'
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13:53:49 watusimoto oh yes
13:53:56 watusimoto text seems to be right out
13:54:02 raptor yeah, i can get a good screenshot of that as SVG with some minor code tweaks
13:54:09 raptor yes - no textures with this library
13:54:16 raptor but it got me a high-quality ship!
13:54:18 watusimoto I think that would make a good basis for a t-shirt
13:55:11 watusimoto so what other icons do we need?
13:56:59 raptor we need banners for the installers (which is where i started)
13:57:05 raptor icons are now easy since I have the ship
13:59:22 raptor watusimoto: here it is with 80% thrust:  http://sam6.25u.com/upload/ship_icon_template.svg
13:59:25 raptor and red
13:59:51 raptor still might be a little much when comparing to other graphics, like the website
14:03:16 watusimoto meeting.... brb
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14:06:46 raptor this is 75% thrust, looks better, I think:  http://sam6.25u.com/upload/1ship_icon_template.svg
14:19:36 raptor here is bastion exported, still needs some touch-up:  http://sam6.25u.com/upload/bastion_orig.svgz
14:20:05 raptor and lest you be worried, every single detail is in there and can be resized easily
14:20:21 raptor oh, also, it's huge and processor intensive
15:18:09 raptor here's what my current banner looks like:  http://sam6.25u.com/upload/3snapshot2.png
15:24:22 watusimoto back
15:24:37 raptor hello
15:24:47 raptor sorry, i've been queueing up things for you to look at...
15:24:52 watusimoto man, that ship looks weird out of context
15:25:04 raptor it sure does
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15:25:33 watusimoto I've grown used to the pixleated ship, which, while emblematic, is also not very rastery
15:25:45 watusimoto and there's one pixel on it that really bugs me :-)
15:25:56 raptor yeah, using this as a base for a raster image is really nice
15:26:00 raptor (the SVG)
15:26:33 watusimoto the bastion sgv doesn't laod in chrome :-(
15:26:41 raptor it's an svgz
15:26:55 raptor because it was so large - like 3 MB uncompressed
15:27:04 watusimoto won't the browser decompress?
15:27:09 watusimoto perhaps not
15:27:14 raptor i'm not sure - it is a standard for svg
15:27:23 watusimoto let's try ie!
15:28:00 raptor firefox tries to redownload it...
15:28:10 watusimoto nope
15:28:11 raptor huh, maybe browsers don't like it...
15:28:29 watusimoto nor firefox
15:28:33 raptor well you can decompress or use an image viewer
15:28:46 watusimoto I'll try with inkscape
15:28:51 watusimoto that should be able to read it
15:28:57 raptor yep, it does
15:29:50 watusimoto the banner looks good, but the ship looks a little scrunched
15:30:04 raptor yeah, a bit too big
15:30:31 watusimoto yes... but a very trivial point
15:35:18 raptor http://sam6.25u.com/upload/Untitled.png
15:35:22 raptor better
15:37:09 watusimoto I kept clicking the cancel button, and got frustrated that the window didn't close
15:37:13 watusimoto but yes, better
15:37:15 raptor haha
15:37:33 watusimoto I'd een suggest lowering it a few pixels down
15:37:44 raptor vertically, you mean?
15:37:49 watusimoto vertically, yes
15:37:52 raptor just movement
15:38:00 watusimoto yes, I think the size is ok
15:38:20 watusimoto could be a tad smaller, but I think it's well into the zone of "doesn't matter"
15:39:40 raptor lower by 2 or 3 pixels:  http://sam6.25u.com/upload/3snapshot3.png
15:39:52 raptor even though it was center before the angles mess with your brain
15:43:33 watusimoto I think it could be the angles, or the "mass" of the ship isn't in the center... the flames seem to count for less
15:43:38 watusimoto but that looks great
15:48:35 raptor were you able to load bastion?
15:51:23 watusimoto no -- I don't have inkscape yet
15:51:34 raptor ok, i'll upload the svg
15:51:54 raptor http://sam6.25u.com/upload/bastion_orig.svg
15:51:56 raptor 2.1MB
15:51:58 raptor beware
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15:54:00 watusimoto I just installed inkscape :-)
15:54:08 raptor ha
15:54:17 raptor i chose poorly
15:55:00 sam686 there is just one problem when using bastion_orig.svg:  total lack of anti aliasing when viewed in chrome browser
15:55:13 raptor hi sam686
15:55:15 watusimoto that is just a good looking level
15:55:17 watusimoto hi sam686
15:55:31 watusimoto sam686: I want it for desigining a t-shirt
15:55:34 raptor it needs some touch-up...  like i think the triangulation of the zones shows
15:56:03 raptor also, one of these days I should actually make that level playable
15:57:10 sam686 http://sam6.25u.com/upload/bastion_orig_on_chrome.png that what i see
15:57:25 sam686 some blue lines is thinner then others, sometimes disappearing completely
15:57:36 raptor i bet aliasing is turned off because it's so big
16:02:32 sam686 besides lack of antialiasing problem, i do see some other problems when zooming in:  some blue lines is half the size of some others and the teleporter gray lines looks like triangle in one end
16:02:58 raptor it comes straight from opengl
16:03:16 raptor so i bet opengl's alpha blening is there
16:03:41 sam686 bitmaps and PNGS is more effifient when it comes to drawing thousands of dots of explostions and stars
16:04:03 raptor yes
16:04:03 sam686 svg is mostly for lines and polygons
16:05:00 sam686 although that kindof ok, but its turning lines into polygons and adding much more points, when viewing it's code
16:05:13 raptor hmmm...
16:05:16 raptor now that i think about it
16:05:36 raptor the screenshot output at 800x600 so many things will look thicker when zoomed in
16:05:43 raptor like the zone lines/etc.
16:05:56 raptor maybe i should get a 1600x1200 shot of this at work tomorrow
16:07:15 sam686 or maybe i could hack the screenshot maker and render at super-high resolution
16:07:29 sam686 I think i have made one screenshot at 2048x1536 once
16:07:37 raptor i used an opengl-to-svg library...  want my diff?
16:08:21 sam686 mainly because of messing with VGA timing to get 2048x1536 to work with my old CRT monitor
16:08:24 raptor http://sam6.25u.com/upload/gl2svg_bitfighter.diff
16:08:38 raptor that will let you use ALT+Q to take a screenshot to SVG
16:08:48 raptor but it doesn't have my hacky code from the editor
16:12:38 sam686 maybe the line width could be a little smaller when using commander map
16:13:05 raptor i hacked the editor's uploadToDb screenshot call
16:13:20 raptor since that takes a nice clean picture without the ship/HUD/etc.
16:14:41 raptor this is what i did to do that (disabling the actual  level upload):  http://pastie.org/pastes/9698722/text
16:20:23 sam686 how do i ctrl+q bigger then 800x600?
16:20:46 sam686 don't tell me to go back to print-screen button because its going to look like this http://sam6.25u.com/upload/printscreen__bitfighter_too_big.png
16:22:14 raptor did you use my svg code?
16:22:21 sam686 not yet
16:22:40 sam686 for existing 019 or non-svg code
16:22:44 raptor to do large, high quality screenshots you ahve to use the editor in fullscreen
16:23:11 raptor and either:  1.  use my svg code or 2.  disable the resize to 800x600 in ScreenShooter.cpp
16:23:33 sam686 how to disable 800x600 then?  bitfighter.ini?
16:23:38 raptor no, in the cpp
16:24:00 sam686 maybe it should be an option in bitfighter.ini
16:24:11 raptor oh actually
16:24:22 raptor if you're in the editor it doesn't resize
16:24:34 raptor unless it's for uploading to pleiades
16:25:18 raptor you could just hold TAB in the editor and take a screenshot, too
16:25:24 raptor with the ship in a far corner....
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16:26:29 sam686 ctrl+q while not in editor,  limits 800x600
16:26:38 sam686 ctrl+tab+q still limits 800x600
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16:26:54 sam686 ctrl+alt+q  since why does that quit the game?
16:27:17 raptor alt+q is a system reserved key commadn, i think
16:27:49 sam686 ctrl+shift+q,  does nothing, no screenshot
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16:29:06 raptor holding TAB, then pressing ctrl+q works for me in 019c
16:29:27 raptor i got a 1600x900 picture
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16:31:26 sam686 http://sam6.25u.com/upload/screenshot_292.png
16:32:20 raptor WHOA
16:32:25 raptor how did you get it at 3800??
16:32:28 sam686 http://sam6.25u.com/upload/screenshot_293.png
16:34:30 sam686 i used multiple monitor
16:34:41 sam686 http://sam6.25u.com/upload/bitscreenshot.png  it blacks out the part its not visible to any monitors
16:35:01 raptor i wonder if there's a way to render greater than the monitor can handle...
16:35:41 sam686 http://sam6.25u.com/upload/multimonitor2.png
16:35:59 raptor hahaha, that's awesome!
16:36:54 raptor idea!
16:36:55 sam686 its get confusing where to move the mouse if set that way..
16:37:29 sam686 i physically have all 4 monitors side by side, in left to right order: 2, 3, 4, 1
16:38:44 sam686 but,  its slows my computer down when opengl renders in fullscreen in any monitor except the primary (radeon HD 6770) graphics card (2 and 3)
16:39:32 sam686 mainly, its because the system have to use a slow transfer from one graphics card to another
16:40:29 sam686 (fullscreen, or windows mode size is huge that goes to another graphics card)(
16:41:37 sam686 besides that, theres other opengl ways to render into it, like creating off-screen context or what old graphics card don't have: using the frame buffer object
16:44:18 sam686 another way is to repeatedly render in smaller rectangular pieces to fill a larger png buffer
16:45:38 sam686 opengl hardware have max frame buffer resolution limit, on my very old Radeon 9200 it is 2048x2048.
16:46:10 raptor idea!
16:55:40 sam686 oops not I got my monitor 2 and 4 switched around, just fixed it, now its in order from left to right: 4,3,2,1
16:56:14 watusimoto that's a lot of monitors!!
16:57:04 watusimoto raptor: is your idea that everyone should get more monitors?
16:57:52 sam686 4 monitors and 2 graphics card (intel HD 2000, and Radeon HD 6770)  my radeon HD 6770 can do 1 more monitors, totalling 5
16:58:39 raptor no..  it's to draw the gl window much, much larger for 1 frame, then take the svg screenshot
16:58:55 raptor i got it to go to 3200x2400, but only the black background...
16:58:59 raptor so i'm close
17:29:21 raptor argh, the viewport resizes, but not the level
17:29:27 raptor ok, off to a lab.  later!
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02:04:11	raptor	and it even works!
02:04:13	raptor	ok good night
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13:05:15	raptor	we need some good high resolution graphics of the bitfighter ship
13:28:12	raptor	watusimoto: I'm attempting to make an SVG of the ship so it can be used as a template for high-quality bitmap images in the future. Here is my current file: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/ship2.svg
13:28:20	raptor	question - should I remove some of the health bars?
13:33:56	raptor	here it is, angled, with less health: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/ship_blue_angled_low_health.svg
13:43:29	watusimoto	hi, good morning
13:43:35	raptor	hi
13:44:22	watusimoto	I'd leave the health on full
13:44:37	watusimoto	perhaps reduce the flames a tad
13:44:54	raptor	so that is a direct opengl-to-svg output
13:45:04	watusimoto	I believe it is "correct"
13:45:07	raptor	so very, very accurate
13:45:18	watusimoto	but it would probably look better at 80% thrust
13:45:28	raptor	ok
13:45:54	raptor	I was tinkering with the windows installers and was trying to set icons/banners/backgrounds
13:45:59	watusimoto	yes?
13:46:04	raptor	and noticed that we are not at all consistent with our graphics
13:46:08	watusimoto	no
13:46:11	watusimoto	they are not
13:46:12	raptor	and many are very poor quality
13:46:30	raptor	so I decided to make this SVG as a starting template
13:46:42	watusimoto	possibly true -- they were created long ago at a time when they were not much of a priority
13:46:49	watusimoto	compared to making an installer that worked
13:46:59	watusimoto	I have an idea for a t-shirt design
13:47:25	raptor	i was thinking, for the sake of consistency, what should our ship color be for the icons across all platforms?
13:47:31	raptor	red?
13:47:44	watusimoto	I think we can do different colors for different purposes
13:47:49	raptor	i agree
13:47:52	watusimoto	red is clearly the iconic color, so it should be the primary
13:48:01	raptor	ok, red for icons
13:48:18	watusimoto	Green also looks nice... perhaps we could use that for the notifier
13:48:36	watusimoto	or, better, make the notifier green when there's palyers, red when not!
13:48:46	raptor	feature creep!
13:48:56	raptor	but that's an excellent idea...
13:48:59	watusimoto	yes, future development idea
13:49:07	watusimoto	but since we're mapping out colors...
13:49:46	watusimoto	but red for the game itself
13:49:53	watusimoto	we're using green for the website currently
13:50:26	watusimoto	notfier can be red/green (in future)
13:50:36	watusimoto	does that leave too much reliance on too few colors?
13:51:35	watusimoto	btw, how hard would it be to create an svg image of your citiadel level?
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13:52:28	raptor	what was my citadel level?
13:52:47	raptor	I added screenshot->SVG support in a temporary clone
13:52:58	raptor	it uses a library called gl2ps
13:53:15	watusimoto	isn't that what your fancy fortress-like level was called?
13:53:28	raptor	here is my screenshot where i got the ship: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/export_0.svg
13:53:29	raptor	oh...
13:53:31	raptor	uhh
13:53:34	raptor	'bastion'
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13:53:49	watusimoto	oh yes
13:53:56	watusimoto	text seems to be right out
13:54:02	raptor	yeah, i can get a good screenshot of that as SVG with some minor code tweaks
13:54:09	raptor	yes - no textures with this library
13:54:16	raptor	but it got me a high-quality ship!
13:54:18	watusimoto	I think that would make a good basis for a t-shirt
13:55:11	watusimoto	so what other icons do we need?
13:56:59	raptor	we need banners for the installers (which is where i started)
13:57:05	raptor	icons are now easy since I have the ship
13:59:22	raptor	watusimoto: here it is with 80% thrust: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/ship_icon_template.svg
13:59:25	raptor	and red
13:59:51	raptor	still might be a little much when comparing to other graphics, like the website
14:03:16	watusimoto	meeting.... brb
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14:06:46	raptor	this is 75% thrust, looks better, I think: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/1ship_icon_template.svg
14:19:36	raptor	here is bastion exported, still needs some touch-up: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/bastion_orig.svgz
14:20:05	raptor	and lest you be worried, every single detail is in there and can be resized easily
14:20:21	raptor	oh, also, it's huge and processor intensive
15:18:09	raptor	here's what my current banner looks like: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/3snapshot2.png
15:24:22	watusimoto	back
15:24:37	raptor	hello
15:24:47	raptor	sorry, i've been queueing up things for you to look at...
15:24:52	watusimoto	man, that ship looks weird out of context
15:25:04	raptor	it sure does
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15:25:33	watusimoto	I've grown used to the pixleated ship, which, while emblematic, is also not very rastery
15:25:45	watusimoto	and there's one pixel on it that really bugs me :-)
15:25:56	raptor	yeah, using this as a base for a raster image is really nice
15:26:00	raptor	(the SVG)
15:26:33	watusimoto	the bastion sgv doesn't laod in chrome :-(
15:26:41	raptor	it's an svgz
15:26:55	raptor	because it was so large - like 3 MB uncompressed
15:27:04	watusimoto	won't the browser decompress?
15:27:09	watusimoto	perhaps not
15:27:14	raptor	i'm not sure - it is a standard for svg
15:27:23	watusimoto	let's try ie!
15:28:00	raptor	firefox tries to redownload it...
15:28:10	watusimoto	nope
15:28:11	raptor	huh, maybe browsers don't like it...
15:28:29	watusimoto	nor firefox
15:28:33	raptor	well you can decompress or use an image viewer
15:28:46	watusimoto	I'll try with inkscape
15:28:51	watusimoto	that should be able to read it
15:28:57	raptor	yep, it does
15:29:50	watusimoto	the banner looks good, but the ship looks a little scrunched
15:30:04	raptor	yeah, a bit too big
15:30:31	watusimoto	yes... but a very trivial point
15:35:18	raptor	http://sam6.25u.com/upload/Untitled.png
15:35:22	raptor	better
15:37:09	watusimoto	I kept clicking the cancel button, and got frustrated that the window didn't close
15:37:13	watusimoto	but yes, better
15:37:15	raptor	haha
15:37:33	watusimoto	I'd een suggest lowering it a few pixels down
15:37:44	raptor	vertically, you mean?
15:37:49	watusimoto	vertically, yes
15:37:52	raptor	just movement
15:38:00	watusimoto	yes, I think the size is ok
15:38:20	watusimoto	could be a tad smaller, but I think it's well into the zone of "doesn't matter"
15:39:40	raptor	lower by 2 or 3 pixels: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/3snapshot3.png
15:39:52	raptor	even though it was center before the angles mess with your brain
15:43:33	watusimoto	I think it could be the angles, or the "mass" of the ship isn't in the center... the flames seem to count for less
15:43:38	watusimoto	but that looks great
15:48:35	raptor	were you able to load bastion?
15:51:23	watusimoto	no -- I don't have inkscape yet
15:51:34	raptor	ok, i'll upload the svg
15:51:54	raptor	http://sam6.25u.com/upload/bastion_orig.svg
15:51:56	raptor	2.1MB
15:51:58	raptor	beware
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15:54:00	watusimoto	I just installed inkscape :-)
15:54:08	raptor	ha
15:54:17	raptor	i chose poorly
15:55:00	sam686	there is just one problem when using bastion_orig.svg: total lack of anti aliasing when viewed in chrome browser
15:55:13	raptor	hi sam686
15:55:15	watusimoto	that is just a good looking level
15:55:17	watusimoto	hi sam686
15:55:31	watusimoto	sam686: I want it for desigining a t-shirt
15:55:34	raptor	it needs some touch-up... like i think the triangulation of the zones shows
15:56:03	raptor	also, one of these days I should actually make that level playable
15:57:10	sam686	http://sam6.25u.com/upload/bastion_orig_on_chrome.png that what i see
15:57:25	sam686	some blue lines is thinner then others, sometimes disappearing completely
15:57:36	raptor	i bet aliasing is turned off because it's so big
16:02:32	sam686	besides lack of antialiasing problem, i do see some other problems when zooming in: some blue lines is half the size of some others and the teleporter gray lines looks like triangle in one end
16:02:58	raptor	it comes straight from opengl
16:03:16	raptor	so i bet opengl's alpha blening is there
16:03:41	sam686	bitmaps and PNGS is more effifient when it comes to drawing thousands of dots of explostions and stars
16:04:03	raptor	yes
16:04:03	sam686	svg is mostly for lines and polygons
16:05:00	sam686	although that kindof ok, but its turning lines into polygons and adding much more points, when viewing it's code
16:05:13	raptor	hmmm...
16:05:16	raptor	now that i think about it
16:05:36	raptor	the screenshot output at 800x600 so many things will look thicker when zoomed in
16:05:43	raptor	like the zone lines/etc.
16:05:56	raptor	maybe i should get a 1600x1200 shot of this at work tomorrow
16:07:15	sam686	or maybe i could hack the screenshot maker and render at super-high resolution
16:07:29	sam686	I think i have made one screenshot at 2048x1536 once
16:07:37	raptor	i used an opengl-to-svg library... want my diff?
16:08:21	sam686	mainly because of messing with VGA timing to get 2048x1536 to work with my old CRT monitor
16:08:24	raptor	http://sam6.25u.com/upload/gl2svg_bitfighter.diff
16:08:38	raptor	that will let you use ALT+Q to take a screenshot to SVG
16:08:48	raptor	but it doesn't have my hacky code from the editor
16:12:38	sam686	maybe the line width could be a little smaller when using commander map
16:13:05	raptor	i hacked the editor's uploadToDb screenshot call
16:13:20	raptor	since that takes a nice clean picture without the ship/HUD/etc.
16:14:41	raptor	this is what i did to do that (disabling the actual level upload): http://pastie.org/pastes/9698722/text
16:20:23	sam686	how do i ctrl+q bigger then 800x600?
16:20:46	sam686	don't tell me to go back to print-screen button because its going to look like this http://sam6.25u.com/upload/printscreen__bitfighter_too_big.png
16:22:14	raptor	did you use my svg code?
16:22:21	sam686	not yet
16:22:40	sam686	for existing 019 or non-svg code
16:22:44	raptor	to do large, high quality screenshots you ahve to use the editor in fullscreen
16:23:11	raptor	and either: 1. use my svg code or 2. disable the resize to 800x600 in ScreenShooter.cpp
16:23:33	sam686	how to disable 800x600 then? bitfighter.ini?
16:23:38	raptor	no, in the cpp
16:24:00	sam686	maybe it should be an option in bitfighter.ini
16:24:11	raptor	oh actually
16:24:22	raptor	if you're in the editor it doesn't resize
16:24:34	raptor	unless it's for uploading to pleiades
16:25:18	raptor	you could just hold TAB in the editor and take a screenshot, too
16:25:24	raptor	with the ship in a far corner....
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16:26:29	sam686	ctrl+q while not in editor, limits 800x600
16:26:38	sam686	ctrl+tab+q still limits 800x600
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16:26:54	sam686	ctrl+alt+q since why does that quit the game?
16:27:17	raptor	alt+q is a system reserved key commadn, i think
16:27:49	sam686	ctrl+shift+q, does nothing, no screenshot
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16:29:06	raptor	holding TAB, then pressing ctrl+q works for me in 019c
16:29:27	raptor	i got a 1600x900 picture
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16:31:26	sam686	http://sam6.25u.com/upload/screenshot_292.png
16:32:20	raptor	WHOA
16:32:25	raptor	how did you get it at 3800??
16:32:28	sam686	http://sam6.25u.com/upload/screenshot_293.png
16:34:30	sam686	i used multiple monitor
16:34:41	sam686	http://sam6.25u.com/upload/bitscreenshot.png it blacks out the part its not visible to any monitors
16:35:01	raptor	i wonder if there's a way to render greater than the monitor can handle...
16:35:41	sam686	http://sam6.25u.com/upload/multimonitor2.png
16:35:59	raptor	hahaha, that's awesome!
16:36:54	raptor	idea!
16:36:55	sam686	its get confusing where to move the mouse if set that way..
16:37:29	sam686	i physically have all 4 monitors side by side, in left to right order: 2, 3, 4, 1
16:38:44	sam686	but, its slows my computer down when opengl renders in fullscreen in any monitor except the primary (radeon HD 6770) graphics card (2 and 3)
16:39:32	sam686	mainly, its because the system have to use a slow transfer from one graphics card to another
16:40:29	sam686	(fullscreen, or windows mode size is huge that goes to another graphics card)(
16:41:37	sam686	besides that, theres other opengl ways to render into it, like creating off-screen context or what old graphics card don't have: using the frame buffer object
16:44:18	sam686	another way is to repeatedly render in smaller rectangular pieces to fill a larger png buffer
16:45:38	sam686	opengl hardware have max frame buffer resolution limit, on my very old Radeon 9200 it is 2048x2048.
16:46:10	raptor	idea!
16:55:40	sam686	oops not I got my monitor 2 and 4 switched around, just fixed it, now its in order from left to right: 4,3,2,1
16:56:14	watusimoto	that's a lot of monitors!!
16:57:04	watusimoto	raptor: is your idea that everyone should get more monitors?
16:57:52	sam686	4 monitors and 2 graphics card (intel HD 2000, and Radeon HD 6770) my radeon HD 6770 can do 1 more monitors, totalling 5
16:58:39	raptor	no.. it's to draw the gl window much, much larger for 1 frame, then take the svg screenshot
16:58:55	raptor	i got it to go to 3200x2400, but only the black background...
16:58:59	raptor	so i'm close
17:29:21	raptor	argh, the viewport resizes, but not the level
17:29:27	raptor	ok, off to a lab. later!
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