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| 00:30:22 | YoshiSmb | Hi guys! |
| 00:31:23 | YoshiSmb | i just tested out my new SIM card for my phone (connected to USB + Fast connection <allowing me to play online with out problems>) |
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| 13:43:41 | raptor | good day! |
| 13:43:56 | raptor | ESA landed a probe on a comet without crashing! |
| 13:44:34 | raptor | although staying landed is still in question as I think the harpoons did not engage |
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| 14:07:28 | watusimoto | hi |
| 14:07:38 | watusimoto | heard about the space mission... pretty awesome! |
| 14:07:40 | raptor | hi |
| 14:08:17 | watusimoto | they had harpoons, also grippers and an engine that would thrust into the comet, so it may be ok if the harpoons didn't work |
| 14:09:02 | watusimoto | odd that getting onto "the ground" is easier than staying on "the ground", eh? |
| 14:09:21 | raptor | or staying on the ground in one piece! |
| 14:14:02 | raptor | oh yes, odd (I misread) |
| 14:14:38 | raptor | realities of much smaller celestial bodies |
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| 14:54:56 | watusimoto | raptor: this must be a joke! |
| 14:54:57 | watusimoto | http://www.geekwire.com/2014/net-visual-studio-microsoft-open-source-cross-platform/ |
| 14:55:47 | raptor | what: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2014/11/12/opening-up-visual-studio-and-net-to-every-developer-any-application-net-server-core-open-source-and-cross-platform-visual-studio-community-2013-and-preview-of-visual-studio-2015-and-net-2015.aspx |
| 14:56:26 | raptor | that can't be right... |
| 14:56:32 | raptor | i thought this was microsoft |
| 14:59:47 | raptor | so that's not the whole .NET stack... but probably the main bit so you can implement the VM |
| 14:59:58 | raptor | sounds like they want to kill Java |
| 15:00:06 | raptor | maybe oracle got on their bad side |
| 15:00:35 | raptor | or actually, maybe google.. |
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| 15:01:33 | raptor | whoa! and released under MIT license! |
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| 15:27:27 | watusimoto | I thought the inner workings of .net were super top secret |
| 15:27:49 | raptor | yeah, me too |
| 15:28:08 | watusimoto | probably gives a lot of insight into how windows works |
| 15:28:10 | raptor | maybe they want android to die as much as Steve Jobs did... |
| 15:28:43 | watusimoto | why would this damage android? |
| 15:28:57 | raptor | because android is built on java |
| 15:29:15 | watusimoto | but they will support .net on android, no? |
| 15:29:39 | raptor | well, as an addition VM on a mobile device, yes |
| 15:29:52 | watusimoto | I haven't read the whole article |
| 15:30:16 | raptor | but I suspect that opening it up means that others can use it, modify it, etc. to be the base runtime for a mobile device |
| 15:30:22 | watusimoto | well, regardless, it's a big move |
| 15:30:23 | raptor | which is what GOogle did for android |
| 15:30:32 | raptor | and oracle got mad at them.. |
| 15:30:45 | watusimoto | what is java's license? |
| 15:30:52 | watusimoto | this might be a strike at Java as much as anything |
| 15:31:01 | raptor | sun opened it up before they went under |
| 15:31:04 | watusimoto | they seem to occupy the same niche |
| 15:31:23 | raptor | that'w why we have IBM JVM, openJDK JVM, dalvik (android), oracle's JVM |
| 15:31:32 | watusimoto | I see |
| 15:32:00 | raptor | .NET, in my mind, has always been the direct competitor to what Java stands for |
| 15:32:07 | watusimoto | yes |
| 15:32:08 | raptor | but microsoft kept it essentially windows-only |
| 15:32:12 | watusimoto | yes |
| 15:32:18 | raptor | but Novell started MONO |
| 15:32:20 | watusimoto | I always figured they'd kill mono |
| 15:32:26 | watusimoto | novell started that? |
| 15:32:29 | raptor | to make it more palatable cross-platform |
| 15:32:59 | raptor | yeah - the original developers were Novell employees |
| 15:33:03 | raptor | who left, of course |
| 15:33:27 | raptor | i guess Novell 'sponsored' it |
| 15:33:36 | watusimoto | I didn't realize that |
| 15:34:36 | raptor | oh wait - actually, started by Ximian, which was shortly acquired by Novell |
| 15:34:43 | raptor | i remember the Ximian monkey mascot |
| 15:34:54 | raptor | but Novell pumped in the cash |
| 15:35:05 | watusimoto | I didn't know ximian was a novell arm |
| 15:35:30 | watusimoto | I always wondered where the money came from |
| 15:35:31 | watusimoto | now I know |
| 15:35:32 | raptor | but anyways... this .NET announcement seems just like what Sun Microsystems did... which eventually spawned android |
| 15:35:42 | watusimoto | yes |
| 15:35:46 | watusimoto | .net phone |
| 15:35:53 | raptor | yep |
| 15:36:02 | watusimoto | that may be their play |
| 15:36:07 | raptor | just a guess at the future - it could be that googley has too far of a lead |
| 15:36:12 | watusimoto | windows phone is doa |
| 15:38:41 | raptor | speaking of googley, have you heard from Arc at all? |
| 15:39:28 | watusimoto | not a peep |
| 15:39:45 | raptor | maybe our tasks were too hard so they don't want us back... |
| 15:39:47 | raptor | :) |
| 15:40:14 | watusimoto | I suspect it's just that he doesn't want to take the intiative |
| 15:41:07 | raptor | oh... today the orgs are to be announced |
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| 15:42:14 | raptor | ha! they were chosen again: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/ |
| 15:42:57 | raptor | maybe i'll ping Arc and see if he's even willing to let us join... my wife sure does like the t-shirts |
| 15:43:00 | watusimoto | I suspected they would - they are a gateway to lots of small projects |
| 15:43:15 | watusimoto | ping away |
| 15:43:34 | watusimoto | we have some projects already described in the bug reports |
| 15:44:02 | watusimoto | if we do it, I'll need to get my refactors all wrapped up |
| 15:44:07 | raptor | ha.. pysoy is now a '3D Cloud Game Engine' |
| 15:44:24 | raptor | starts Dec. 1: https://www.google-melange.com/gci/events/google/gci2014 |
| 15:46:45 | watusimoto | we need a gci task to convert bitfighter to .net |
| 15:48:18 | raptor | i'm in conversation with Arc, want to join? he's asking tough questions |
| 15:48:23 | raptor | at #pysoy |
| 15:48:51 | raptor | see conversation here so far: http://pastie.org/private/piyekgaooukvbk40neoopa |
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| 15:53:06 | watusimoto | <Arc> so is there a way for bitfighter to be in the same tree? --> I don't see how |
| 15:54:07 | raptor | yeah... |
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| 16:47:48 | raptor | ok, off to lab! |
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