#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2014-12-31

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15:04:24 Nothing_Much Oh hey, Desura's back in development
15:06:25 Nothing_Much Desura's also under a new owner as well
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19:53:43 sam686 019d will soon come out in 1-2 days hopefilly... if raptor finishes his compiling on mac
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22:07:29 raptor good evening!
22:08:09 raptor OSX images are compiled!
22:08:19 raptor going through the release checklist..
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23:01:51 raptor oh man...  i don't remember how to do the linux standalone...
23:04:31 Nothing_Much raptor: Do you need help?
23:04:38 Nothing_Much Erm.. well actually I probably wouldn't know either...
23:04:46 Nothing_Much You mean making a .deb or .rpm?
23:05:04 raptor neither - the standalone archive
23:05:33 raptor so i have to precompile for GLIBC 2.7
23:05:46 Nothing_Much Ohh
23:05:48 Nothing_Much Uh
23:06:21 Nothing_Much raptor: If you're compiling against 2.7.. that might be too old, would that be a security risk if there's an exploit on 2.7 or does it just retain backwards compatibility?
23:08:57 raptor oh no - it will use the latest glibc on the system, but it will be backwards compatible to 2.7
23:09:40 Nothing_Much Ah okay
23:11:28 raptor argh i need to compile cmake...
23:12:41 Nothing_Much raptor: what distro are you on, currently?
23:12:52 raptor openSUSE 12.3
23:13:17 raptor I build the standalone stuff using openSUSE 11.4 because it uses the older glibc
23:13:32 raptor but it has too old of cmake, so now I have to compile cmake 2.8.8 for it
23:15:48 Nothing_Much raptor: I think Debian uses glibc 2.13..
23:15:59 Nothing_Much You should probably update it to that version
23:16:07 raptor sure it does
23:16:33 raptor the standalone build has a different goal than normal distro packages - to be as widely compatible as possible
23:16:42 raptor it doesn't bundle glibc at all
23:17:09 raptor so it'll link to whatever version is on the system you run
23:17:40 raptor 2.13 is waaay too new, though
23:18:01 Nothing_Much hmm..
23:18:07 raptor i'm sure most distros are on that but it would exclude lots of others
23:18:08 Nothing_Much What about a Click package?
23:18:19 raptor i don't know what that is
23:19:07 Nothing_Much It's an Ubuntu package that bundles libs in an installable format I think
23:19:52 raptor I already have done all the work in tracking down the libs
23:20:11 raptor the hard part is just remembering how to compile it...
23:20:21 Nothing_Much Hmm..
23:20:34 Nothing_Much http://askubuntu.com/questions/337969/what-are-click-packages
23:20:59 raptor ahh, that is definitely not that compatible
23:21:05 raptor it's a very custom format
23:21:20 Nothing_Much It's FOSS and other distros could adopt it as well
23:21:23 raptor i chose to just use a tar.gz archive because everyone supports that :)
23:21:32 raptor this is just the standalone package, though
23:21:35 Nothing_Much But tar.gz's aren't installable
23:21:39 Nothing_Much Can they be?
23:21:43 raptor they are not
23:21:46 raptor but that's not the goal
23:21:59 Nothing_Much Ohh.. so it's like a portable Linux version, right?
23:22:04 raptor yes!
23:22:23 Nothing_Much well that would've been easier to translate :P
23:22:25 raptor sorry, the portable/standalone terminology in my head makes sense
23:22:30 raptor heh
23:22:46 raptor i should have said portable to begin with
23:22:57 Nothing_Much Windows is mostly associated with the "portable" package I think
23:23:24 raptor yeah, true - but since not all linux distros support bitfighter last release i put together a linux one, too
23:23:27 Nothing_Much oh and raptor, Desura's owned by a new company too
23:23:32 raptor oh?
23:23:51 Nothing_Much yeah, and they're currently hard at work at developing all 3 clients, Windows, Mac and GNU/Linux
23:23:56 raptor hmmm
23:24:02 Nothing_Much Bad Juju is the owner now
23:24:04 raptor it'll be interesting at seeing what they come up with
23:24:07 Nothing_Much new mascot and everything
23:24:09 Nothing_Much yeah
23:24:20 Nothing_Much but so far the client is relatively unstable
23:24:31 Nothing_Much and I think the MCF was removed from the Bitfighter page on Desura
23:24:45 raptor well that stinks
23:24:51 raptor so they're changing everything
23:25:13 Nothing_Much raptor: I think you or wat deleted the mcf or something
23:25:36 Nothing_Much I read a changelog that it was removed because Desura didn't have a cross platform client at the time
23:26:52 raptor i sure didn't
23:27:48 Nothing_Much yeah, well sadly Steam has too good of a reputation, even though their support and client sucks horrendously, and stuff like GOG and Desura don't get nearly as much attention
23:27:56 Nothing_Much plus the constant Steam sales
23:28:00 raptor i like GOG
23:28:25 Nothing_Much yeah, GOG and Desura are the best ones for DRM-free software
23:28:37 Nothing_Much but everybody and their mother likes sales
23:28:56 Nothing_Much so.. everybody gets spied on while using Steam
23:33:02 raptor oh i'm sure
23:33:20 raptor i bet even desura keeps stats on people
23:35:40 Nothing_Much well, considering Desura is FOSS.. we could check that.. https://github.com/desura/desura-app

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15:04:24	Nothing_Much	Oh hey, Desura's back in development
15:06:25	Nothing_Much	Desura's also under a new owner as well
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22:07:29	raptor	good evening!
22:08:09	raptor	OSX images are compiled!
22:08:19	raptor	going through the release checklist..
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23:01:51	raptor	oh man... i don't remember how to do the linux standalone...
23:04:31	Nothing_Much	raptor: Do you need help?
23:04:38	Nothing_Much	Erm.. well actually I probably wouldn't know either...
23:04:46	Nothing_Much	You mean making a .deb or .rpm?
23:05:04	raptor	neither - the standalone archive
23:05:33	raptor	so i have to precompile for GLIBC 2.7
23:05:46	Nothing_Much	Ohh
23:05:48	Nothing_Much	Uh
23:06:21	Nothing_Much	raptor: If you're compiling against 2.7.. that might be too old, would that be a security risk if there's an exploit on 2.7 or does it just retain backwards compatibility?
23:08:57	raptor	oh no - it will use the latest glibc on the system, but it will be backwards compatible to 2.7
23:09:40	Nothing_Much	Ah okay
23:11:28	raptor	argh i need to compile cmake...
23:12:41	Nothing_Much	raptor: what distro are you on, currently?
23:12:52	raptor	openSUSE 12.3
23:13:17	raptor	I build the standalone stuff using openSUSE 11.4 because it uses the older glibc
23:13:32	raptor	but it has too old of cmake, so now I have to compile cmake 2.8.8 for it
23:15:48	Nothing_Much	raptor: I think Debian uses glibc 2.13..
23:15:59	Nothing_Much	You should probably update it to that version
23:16:07	raptor	sure it does
23:16:33	raptor	the standalone build has a different goal than normal distro packages - to be as widely compatible as possible
23:16:42	raptor	it doesn't bundle glibc at all
23:17:09	raptor	so it'll link to whatever version is on the system you run
23:17:40	raptor	2.13 is waaay too new, though
23:18:01	Nothing_Much	hmm..
23:18:07	raptor	i'm sure most distros are on that but it would exclude lots of others
23:18:08	Nothing_Much	What about a Click package?
23:18:19	raptor	i don't know what that is
23:19:07	Nothing_Much	It's an Ubuntu package that bundles libs in an installable format I think
23:19:52	raptor	I already have done all the work in tracking down the libs
23:20:11	raptor	the hard part is just remembering how to compile it...
23:20:21	Nothing_Much	Hmm..
23:20:34	Nothing_Much	http://askubuntu.com/questions/337969/what-are-click-packages
23:20:59	raptor	ahh, that is definitely not that compatible
23:21:05	raptor	it's a very custom format
23:21:20	Nothing_Much	It's FOSS and other distros could adopt it as well
23:21:23	raptor	i chose to just use a tar.gz archive because everyone supports that :)
23:21:32	raptor	this is just the standalone package, though
23:21:35	Nothing_Much	But tar.gz's aren't installable
23:21:39	Nothing_Much	Can they be?
23:21:43	raptor	they are not
23:21:46	raptor	but that's not the goal
23:21:59	Nothing_Much	Ohh.. so it's like a portable Linux version, right?
23:22:04	raptor	yes!
23:22:23	Nothing_Much	well that would've been easier to translate :P
23:22:25	raptor	sorry, the portable/standalone terminology in my head makes sense
23:22:30	raptor	heh
23:22:46	raptor	i should have said portable to begin with
23:22:57	Nothing_Much	Windows is mostly associated with the "portable" package I think
23:23:24	raptor	yeah, true - but since not all linux distros support bitfighter last release i put together a linux one, too
23:23:27	Nothing_Much	oh and raptor, Desura's owned by a new company too
23:23:32	raptor	oh?
23:23:51	Nothing_Much	yeah, and they're currently hard at work at developing all 3 clients, Windows, Mac and GNU/Linux
23:23:56	raptor	hmmm
23:24:02	Nothing_Much	Bad Juju is the owner now
23:24:04	raptor	it'll be interesting at seeing what they come up with
23:24:07	Nothing_Much	new mascot and everything
23:24:09	Nothing_Much	yeah
23:24:20	Nothing_Much	but so far the client is relatively unstable
23:24:31	Nothing_Much	and I think the MCF was removed from the Bitfighter page on Desura
23:24:45	raptor	well that stinks
23:24:51	raptor	so they're changing everything
23:25:13	Nothing_Much	raptor: I think you or wat deleted the mcf or something
23:25:36	Nothing_Much	I read a changelog that it was removed because Desura didn't have a cross platform client at the time
23:26:52	raptor	i sure didn't
23:27:48	Nothing_Much	yeah, well sadly Steam has too good of a reputation, even though their support and client sucks horrendously, and stuff like GOG and Desura don't get nearly as much attention
23:27:56	Nothing_Much	plus the constant Steam sales
23:28:00	raptor	i like GOG
23:28:25	Nothing_Much	yeah, GOG and Desura are the best ones for DRM-free software
23:28:37	Nothing_Much	but everybody and their mother likes sales
23:28:56	Nothing_Much	so.. everybody gets spied on while using Steam
23:33:02	raptor	oh i'm sure
23:33:20	raptor	i bet even desura keeps stats on people
23:35:40	Nothing_Much	well, considering Desura is FOSS.. we could check that.. https://github.com/desura/desura-app