#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2015-03-14

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14:48:42 raptor hello
15:08:52 Watusimoto hi
15:09:03 raptor hi
15:09:07 Watusimoto fell asleep early __again__
15:09:24 Watusimoto lame
15:09:53 raptor me too..
15:10:27 raptor i started a GL abstraction layer
15:10:31 raptor with an interface
15:10:54 raptor but it needs to be instantiated somewhere, e.g.  GL gl = new GLES1();
15:11:15 raptor then it will be invoked everywhere like this:  gl->glColor(...)
15:11:29 raptor the question I have - is where should I put this GL object?
15:12:59 raptor maybe in UIManager?
15:16:57 raptor i couldn't do it statically because you can't do:  virtual static void glColor() = 0;
15:23:39 Watusimoto so the object is only needed when doing UI stuff, right?
15:23:54 Watusimoto so you could instantiate it in the UI manager, yes, that might make sense
15:24:40 Watusimoto I think that will remain a singleton even if we add support for multiple clients in one session
15:28:02 raptor yes
15:28:52 raptor this may be a rather large-ish refactor - i'll probably be needing to put all of gameObjectRender, RenderUtils, and OpenglUtils into classes/namespaces
15:32:30 raptor UIManager is instantiated from ClientGame is that still an OK pattern?
15:35:35 raptor there was supposed to be a comma in there somewhere...
15:37:10 Watusimoto well, there is a refactor needed in there somewhere
15:37:12 raptor argh, that won't work
15:37:28 raptor client game is created after VideoSystem::init() is called
15:37:32 Watusimoto when you first start the game, if you are a player, clientGame gets kicked off, and that fires up the UI
15:37:33 raptor and that requires GL calls
15:37:45 Watusimoto if you are a server, then serverGame gets started
15:38:15 Watusimoto but I think when you start, the UIManager should start first, then clientgame should only get created when you start playing
15:38:29 Watusimoto but that's (probably) a whole nother story
15:38:49 Watusimoto you could move the VS::init into uimanager, perhaps
15:39:01 raptor ah ha!  you grew up splitting that word "another" like that, too!
15:39:14 Watusimoto haha yes
15:39:25 Watusimoto do some people not do that?
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15:39:45 Watusimoto VS is technically not needed to run client games
15:39:47 raptor i'm not sure - but i just noticed that I do that a short while ago...
15:39:57 Watusimoto seems natural
15:40:01 Watusimoto another is short for a nother
15:40:07 raptor haha
15:40:10 Watusimoto or an other
15:40:23 raptor hard to say:  an whole other
15:40:32 Watusimoto a whole nother
15:40:46 Watusimoto seems better
15:41:16 Watusimoto http://grammarist.com/usage/a-whole-nother/
15:42:14 raptor ha, that's great
15:43:53 Watusimoto yeah
15:44:18 Watusimoto anway... I think UIManager should be the thing that starts up first, and launches client/server games as needed
15:44:22 raptor hmm...  i need a non-static object on somewhere, but before/during VideoSystem::init()
15:44:32 Watusimoto why should you have a clientgame in the main menu?
15:44:47 Watusimoto you could create it in main()
15:44:49 raptor this goes back to what we want clientgame to be...
15:44:51 Watusimoto or in vs::init
15:45:01 Watusimoto well, that's static
15:45:03 Watusimoto probably
15:45:05 raptor VS::init is a static... yes
15:45:19 raptor so in main() maybe, and give it to UIManager
15:45:28 Watusimoto that would work
15:45:57 Watusimoto but it might break some tests... not sure
15:46:23 Watusimoto maybe not
15:52:17 Watusimoto am I correct in supposing that you don't need the gl object to be instantiated until we start rending the UI?
15:52:49 raptor correct..  i think - nothing can be rendered until after VS::init() anyways
15:53:22 Watusimoto can that all go inside uiManager?
15:53:28 Watusimoto (includig vs::init)
15:53:49 Watusimoto also, on separate topic, the father of the author of TNL just passed away.
15:54:37 raptor oh?  how did you hear about that
15:55:02 Watusimoto it's big news here
15:55:14 Watusimoto his father was a big deal in the U of O
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15:55:26 Watusimoto and, I think, former candidate for governor
15:55:30 raptor oh wow
15:56:14 Watusimoto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_B._Frohnmayer
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16:26:05 raptor interesting - he had 2 daughters die from a very rare disease
16:31:48 Watusimoto I didn't know that
16:33:44 raptor VS::init() does SDL set-up and things - are you saying we'd create UIManager before that, then run VS::init, then attach the UIManager to ClientGame?
16:33:55 raptor right now UIManager is created/deleted with clientgame
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16:46:57 Watusimoto well, we've got two paths
16:47:12 Watusimoto 1) minor - make stuff work with the architecture we haev now
16:47:24 Watusimoto or 2) fix architecture to the way it should be
16:47:40 raptor i like the #2's of the world, but i'm not entirely sure what it should be...
16:47:54 raptor ClientGame seems to have changed purposes a few times...
16:48:04 Watusimoto Here's how I think things shoudl logically work
16:48:19 Watusimoto Launch game in client mode
16:48:24 Watusimoto Create UIManager
16:48:26 Watusimoto Join game
16:48:35 Watusimoto create clientGame to manage that game
16:48:38 Watusimoto Quit game
16:48:44 Watusimoto clientGame gets deleted
16:49:03 Watusimoto listen to flight of the valkries with UIManager, not clientGame
16:49:20 Watusimoto currently, clientGame is our "primary" object
16:49:25 raptor so UIManager would be the 'router' so-to-speak?
16:49:30 Watusimoto yes
16:49:39 raptor because I remember Game trying to be that once
16:49:47 Watusimoto cleintgame does that now
16:50:05 Watusimoto servergame works more the way I am proposing clientgame should work
16:50:18 Watusimoto we create one when we need to host, then kill it off when we're done hosting
16:51:22 Watusimoto so it seems asymmetrical to me
16:51:38 Watusimoto so I think #2 woule entail that (probably rather large) refactor
16:52:09 Watusimoto for #1, what is the earliest you think you need to create the new gl object?
16:54:17 raptor with or before videosystem::init()
16:55:28 Watusimoto then you could just do it then, and pass it around where you need it
16:55:48 Watusimoto a little klunkier, but much easier than #2
16:56:11 Watusimoto you gave up on the ifdef solution?  That would work as a static, no?
16:56:55 raptor yeah, that may be the best at the moment
16:57:15 raptor i'm doing the #ifdef solution, but with GLES2/GLES1 implementations of the GL class
16:57:24 raptor it's just a matter of where teh GL class will reside
16:58:23 raptor FYI, the hedgewars devs are talking about possibly putting an April fools news item up, saying they're leaving for bitfighter  :)
16:58:29 raptor that's where sheepluva is from
16:59:56 Watusimoto ha!
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17:15:11 Watusimoto Found a minor bug in the password entry system
17:15:23 Watusimoto Fixing now
17:21:33 raptor the whole system?  or jsut the first log-in screen?
17:23:36 Watusimoto the in-game system
17:23:47 Watusimoto /password xyzzy
17:23:52 raptor ah
17:24:05 Watusimoto if you enter an admin pw and you already have admin privs, you get a "bad password" message
17:24:10 Watusimoto which seems lame
17:24:13 raptor ha
17:34:26 Watusimoto this one is probably backportable
18:25:24 Watusimoto raptor: how do I undo a local commit?
18:26:35 sheepluva Watusimoto: in mercurial repo?  usually  hg rollback
18:27:19 Watusimoto perfect
18:27:19 sheepluva hi btw :P I'm a visitor from #hedgewars - I might stay though, nice game :)
18:27:26 Watusimoto hi, thanks!
18:27:41 Watusimoto we always welcome people
18:27:55 sheepluva :)
18:29:06 Watusimoto raptor: is there a way to rollback more than one level?
18:29:30 raptor hi
18:29:34 sheepluva oh you did several commits, eh?
18:29:36 raptor Watusimoto: hg strip <rev>
18:29:37 Watusimoto two
18:29:50 Watusimoto rev being the one I want to keep, or get rid of?
18:29:56 raptor get rid of
18:29:59 Watusimoto ok
18:30:01 raptor <rev> + childs
18:30:47 sheepluva you need to enable the strip extension for that though
18:31:23 raptor ^^ yes, that's right
18:31:24 sheepluva so in ~/.hgrc   under [extensions] add the like strip =
18:31:53 sheepluva *add the line
18:31:54 raptor Watusimoto is a windows developer, so in the Mercurial.ini?  or does tortoise allow you to enable extensions somewhere?
18:32:21 Watusimoto tortoise enable extensions
18:33:27 sheepluva In worst case you could always make a local clone of your repo and specify to clone it only to the last commit that you want to keep, instead of completely
18:33:51 raptor sheepluva: were you serious about recommending trying to get into FreeBSD
18:33:55 raptor ?
18:34:42 Watusimoto phooey... I got things all tangled up.  I can more forward ok, but I was hoping to separate out the fixes I made that could be backported to 019x
18:34:54 Watusimoto I guess they're not really significant, and I can just skip them
18:34:58 sheepluva raptor: well, I would not consider it important, but it might be an easy thing to do - and if it is - why not? :)
18:34:59 raptor that's OK, you can just tell them to me and i'll do the work
18:35:09 Watusimoto well... it's complex
18:35:19 Watusimoto I'll figure somehting out
18:35:36 Watusimoto My son has been waiting patiently to play minecraft, so I sort this out laer
18:35:41 raptor ha!
18:35:53 Watusimoto ok, back later!
18:37:02 sheepluva :D
18:37:02 raptor i completely forgot!:  Happy half-tau day!
18:37:40 fordcars Haha
18:37:54 fordcars It's the most pie day in a century
18:38:01 fordcars *opi
18:38:10 raptor oh yeah
18:38:13 raptor 15
18:38:31 fordcars 3/14/15 9:53
18:38:36 fordcars Magic
18:38:44 fordcars Wait that's not right
18:38:55 raptor 9:26:53
18:39:03 fordcars Hah right, minutes
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18:47:51 raptor i should follow up on the debian folks
19:04:25 sheepluva hm, all client source code is in /zap ?
19:04:40 raptor yes
19:07:23 raptor sheepluva: what OS/arch are you on?
19:10:37 sheepluva xubuntu
19:10:43 sheepluva 14.10 I guess
19:10:49 sheepluva amd64
19:20:11 raptor tag bitfighter-019d is the latest stable
19:20:52 raptor but tip is what we're developing on...  which may not be very stable
19:22:18 sheepluva yep, figured
19:23:45 sheepluva raptor: what's TNL?
19:24:13 raptor Torque Network Library
19:24:29 raptor it was the first iteration of all things Torque from GarageGames (I think)
19:24:42 raptor and to show it off, they built this game called 'Zap!'
19:24:49 raptor bitfighter is based on Zap!
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19:25:32 sheepluva ah I see. was Zap! open-source and directly used as foundation for bitfighter?
19:25:47 raptor yes
19:25:51 sheepluva kool
19:25:53 raptor let me see if i can find the old source...
19:26:21 raptor ah ha!:  http://opentnl.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/opentnl/tnl/
19:31:02 sheepluva libtorque is something else?
19:31:27 raptor i think TNL evolved into some other things like torque2d and torque3d
19:31:33 raptor but we're just libtnl
19:31:57 raptor also, we've strayed from the original TNL and made many of our own changes.  so it's basically bitfighter-tnl now
19:32:30 sheepluva heh, I see
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19:34:07 raptor sheepluva: did you guys get into GCI or GSOC this year?
19:34:09 sheepluva bitfighter has been around for 6 years? O_o  wow, and only know I make first contact with it
19:34:38 sheepluva raptor: nope, we stopped doing GSoC and especially GCI a while ago
19:34:46 raptor yeah..  Watusimoto started it, then i joined about 2-3 years later
19:34:47 sheepluva we just don't have time to mentor properly these days :/
19:39:24 raptor dinner time!  back later..
19:39:31 sheepluva I'll be heading to bed
19:39:38 sheepluva enjoy your dinner and see ya tomorrow ^^
19:39:51 raptor thanks again!
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21:04:24 Watusimoto sleepliva -- you must be in Europe
21:04:29 Watusimoto oops sleeplova
21:04:35 Watusimoto no!
21:04:38 Watusimoto sleepluva
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22:01:52 raptor Watusimoto: right now UIManager is created like this:  ClientGame *clientGame = new ClientGame(..., new UIManager());
22:02:02 raptor which suggests a different UIManager for each ClientGame
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14:48:42	raptor	hello
15:08:52	Watusimoto	hi
15:09:03	raptor	hi
15:09:07	Watusimoto	fell asleep early __again__
15:09:24	Watusimoto	lame
15:09:53	raptor	me too..
15:10:27	raptor	i started a GL abstraction layer
15:10:31	raptor	with an interface
15:10:54	raptor	but it needs to be instantiated somewhere, e.g. GL gl = new GLES1();
15:11:15	raptor	then it will be invoked everywhere like this: gl->glColor(...)
15:11:29	raptor	the question I have - is where should I put this GL object?
15:12:59	raptor	maybe in UIManager?
15:16:57	raptor	i couldn't do it statically because you can't do: virtual static void glColor() = 0;
15:23:39	Watusimoto	so the object is only needed when doing UI stuff, right?
15:23:54	Watusimoto	so you could instantiate it in the UI manager, yes, that might make sense
15:24:40	Watusimoto	I think that will remain a singleton even if we add support for multiple clients in one session
15:28:02	raptor	yes
15:28:52	raptor	this may be a rather large-ish refactor - i'll probably be needing to put all of gameObjectRender, RenderUtils, and OpenglUtils into classes/namespaces
15:32:30	raptor	UIManager is instantiated from ClientGame is that still an OK pattern?
15:35:35	raptor	there was supposed to be a comma in there somewhere...
15:37:10	Watusimoto	well, there is a refactor needed in there somewhere
15:37:12	raptor	argh, that won't work
15:37:28	raptor	client game is created after VideoSystem::init() is called
15:37:32	Watusimoto	when you first start the game, if you are a player, clientGame gets kicked off, and that fires up the UI
15:37:33	raptor	and that requires GL calls
15:37:45	Watusimoto	if you are a server, then serverGame gets started
15:38:15	Watusimoto	but I think when you start, the UIManager should start first, then clientgame should only get created when you start playing
15:38:29	Watusimoto	but that's (probably) a whole nother story
15:38:49	Watusimoto	you could move the VS::init into uimanager, perhaps
15:39:01	raptor	ah ha! you grew up splitting that word "another" like that, too!
15:39:14	Watusimoto	haha yes
15:39:25	Watusimoto	do some people not do that?
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15:39:45	Watusimoto	VS is technically not needed to run client games
15:39:47	raptor	i'm not sure - but i just noticed that I do that a short while ago...
15:39:57	Watusimoto	seems natural
15:40:01	Watusimoto	another is short for a nother
15:40:07	raptor	haha
15:40:10	Watusimoto	or an other
15:40:23	raptor	hard to say: an whole other
15:40:32	Watusimoto	a whole nother
15:40:46	Watusimoto	seems better
15:41:16	Watusimoto	http://grammarist.com/usage/a-whole-nother/
15:42:14	raptor	ha, that's great
15:43:53	Watusimoto	yeah
15:44:18	Watusimoto	anway... I think UIManager should be the thing that starts up first, and launches client/server games as needed
15:44:22	raptor	hmm... i need a non-static object on somewhere, but before/during VideoSystem::init()
15:44:32	Watusimoto	why should you have a clientgame in the main menu?
15:44:47	Watusimoto	you could create it in main()
15:44:49	raptor	this goes back to what we want clientgame to be...
15:44:51	Watusimoto	or in vs::init
15:45:01	Watusimoto	well, that's static
15:45:03	Watusimoto	probably
15:45:05	raptor	VS::init is a static... yes
15:45:19	raptor	so in main() maybe, and give it to UIManager
15:45:28	Watusimoto	that would work
15:45:57	Watusimoto	but it might break some tests... not sure
15:46:23	Watusimoto	maybe not
15:52:17	Watusimoto	am I correct in supposing that you don't need the gl object to be instantiated until we start rending the UI?
15:52:49	raptor	correct.. i think - nothing can be rendered until after VS::init() anyways
15:53:22	Watusimoto	can that all go inside uiManager?
15:53:28	Watusimoto	(includig vs::init)
15:53:49	Watusimoto	also, on separate topic, the father of the author of TNL just passed away.
15:54:37	raptor	oh? how did you hear about that
15:55:02	Watusimoto	it's big news here
15:55:14	Watusimoto	his father was a big deal in the U of O
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15:55:26	Watusimoto	and, I think, former candidate for governor
15:55:30	raptor	oh wow
15:56:14	Watusimoto	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_B._Frohnmayer
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16:26:05	raptor	interesting - he had 2 daughters die from a very rare disease
16:31:48	Watusimoto	I didn't know that
16:33:44	raptor	VS::init() does SDL set-up and things - are you saying we'd create UIManager before that, then run VS::init, then attach the UIManager to ClientGame?
16:33:55	raptor	right now UIManager is created/deleted with clientgame
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16:46:57	Watusimoto	well, we've got two paths
16:47:12	Watusimoto	1) minor - make stuff work with the architecture we haev now
16:47:24	Watusimoto	or 2) fix architecture to the way it should be
16:47:40	raptor	i like the #2's of the world, but i'm not entirely sure what it should be...
16:47:54	raptor	ClientGame seems to have changed purposes a few times...
16:48:04	Watusimoto	Here's how I think things shoudl logically work
16:48:19	Watusimoto	Launch game in client mode
16:48:24	Watusimoto	Create UIManager
16:48:26	Watusimoto	Join game
16:48:35	Watusimoto	create clientGame to manage that game
16:48:38	Watusimoto	Quit game
16:48:44	Watusimoto	clientGame gets deleted
16:49:03	Watusimoto	listen to flight of the valkries with UIManager, not clientGame
16:49:20	Watusimoto	currently, clientGame is our "primary" object
16:49:25	raptor	so UIManager would be the 'router' so-to-speak?
16:49:30	Watusimoto	yes
16:49:39	raptor	because I remember Game trying to be that once
16:49:47	Watusimoto	cleintgame does that now
16:50:05	Watusimoto	servergame works more the way I am proposing clientgame should work
16:50:18	Watusimoto	we create one when we need to host, then kill it off when we're done hosting
16:51:22	Watusimoto	so it seems asymmetrical to me
16:51:38	Watusimoto	so I think #2 woule entail that (probably rather large) refactor
16:52:09	Watusimoto	for #1, what is the earliest you think you need to create the new gl object?
16:54:17	raptor	with or before videosystem::init()
16:55:28	Watusimoto	then you could just do it then, and pass it around where you need it
16:55:48	Watusimoto	a little klunkier, but much easier than #2
16:56:11	Watusimoto	you gave up on the ifdef solution? That would work as a static, no?
16:56:55	raptor	yeah, that may be the best at the moment
16:57:15	raptor	i'm doing the #ifdef solution, but with GLES2/GLES1 implementations of the GL class
16:57:24	raptor	it's just a matter of where teh GL class will reside
16:58:23	raptor	FYI, the hedgewars devs are talking about possibly putting an April fools news item up, saying they're leaving for bitfighter :)
16:58:29	raptor	that's where sheepluva is from
16:59:56	Watusimoto	ha!
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17:15:11	Watusimoto	Found a minor bug in the password entry system
17:15:23	Watusimoto	Fixing now
17:21:33	raptor	the whole system? or jsut the first log-in screen?
17:23:36	Watusimoto	the in-game system
17:23:47	Watusimoto	/password xyzzy
17:23:52	raptor	ah
17:24:05	Watusimoto	if you enter an admin pw and you already have admin privs, you get a "bad password" message
17:24:10	Watusimoto	which seems lame
17:24:13	raptor	ha
17:34:26	Watusimoto	this one is probably backportable
18:25:24	Watusimoto	raptor: how do I undo a local commit?
18:26:35	sheepluva	Watusimoto: in mercurial repo? usually hg rollback
18:27:19	Watusimoto	perfect
18:27:19	sheepluva	hi btw :P I'm a visitor from #hedgewars - I might stay though, nice game :)
18:27:26	Watusimoto	hi, thanks!
18:27:41	Watusimoto	we always welcome people
18:27:55	sheepluva	:)
18:29:06	Watusimoto	raptor: is there a way to rollback more than one level?
18:29:30	raptor	hi
18:29:34	sheepluva	oh you did several commits, eh?
18:29:36	raptor	Watusimoto: hg strip <rev>
18:29:37	Watusimoto	two
18:29:50	Watusimoto	rev being the one I want to keep, or get rid of?
18:29:56	raptor	get rid of
18:29:59	Watusimoto	ok
18:30:01	raptor	<rev> + childs
18:30:47	sheepluva	you need to enable the strip extension for that though
18:31:23	raptor	^^ yes, that's right
18:31:24	sheepluva	so in ~/.hgrc under [extensions] add the like strip =
18:31:53	sheepluva	*add the line
18:31:54	raptor	Watusimoto is a windows developer, so in the Mercurial.ini? or does tortoise allow you to enable extensions somewhere?
18:32:21	Watusimoto	tortoise enable extensions
18:33:27	sheepluva	In worst case you could always make a local clone of your repo and specify to clone it only to the last commit that you want to keep, instead of completely
18:33:51	raptor	sheepluva: were you serious about recommending trying to get into FreeBSD
18:33:55	raptor	?
18:34:42	Watusimoto	phooey... I got things all tangled up. I can more forward ok, but I was hoping to separate out the fixes I made that could be backported to 019x
18:34:54	Watusimoto	I guess they're not really significant, and I can just skip them
18:34:58	sheepluva	raptor: well, I would not consider it important, but it might be an easy thing to do - and if it is - why not? :)
18:34:59	raptor	that's OK, you can just tell them to me and i'll do the work
18:35:09	Watusimoto	well... it's complex
18:35:19	Watusimoto	I'll figure somehting out
18:35:36	Watusimoto	My son has been waiting patiently to play minecraft, so I sort this out laer
18:35:41	raptor	ha!
18:35:53	Watusimoto	ok, back later!
18:37:02	sheepluva	:D
18:37:02	raptor	i completely forgot!: Happy half-tau day!
18:37:40	fordcars	Haha
18:37:54	fordcars	It's the most pie day in a century
18:38:01	fordcars	*opi
18:38:10	raptor	oh yeah
18:38:13	raptor	15
18:38:31	fordcars	3/14/15 9:53
18:38:36	fordcars	Magic
18:38:44	fordcars	Wait that's not right
18:38:55	raptor	9:26:53
18:39:03	fordcars	Hah right, minutes
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18:47:51	raptor	i should follow up on the debian folks
19:04:25	sheepluva	hm, all client source code is in /zap ?
19:04:40	raptor	yes
19:07:23	raptor	sheepluva: what OS/arch are you on?
19:10:37	sheepluva	xubuntu
19:10:43	sheepluva	14.10 I guess
19:10:49	sheepluva	amd64
19:20:11	raptor	tag bitfighter-019d is the latest stable
19:20:52	raptor	but tip is what we're developing on... which may not be very stable
19:22:18	sheepluva	yep, figured
19:23:45	sheepluva	raptor: what's TNL?
19:24:13	raptor	Torque Network Library
19:24:29	raptor	it was the first iteration of all things Torque from GarageGames (I think)
19:24:42	raptor	and to show it off, they built this game called 'Zap!'
19:24:49	raptor	bitfighter is based on Zap!
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19:25:32	sheepluva	ah I see. was Zap! open-source and directly used as foundation for bitfighter?
19:25:47	raptor	yes
19:25:51	sheepluva	kool
19:25:53	raptor	let me see if i can find the old source...
19:26:21	raptor	ah ha!: http://opentnl.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/opentnl/tnl/
19:31:02	sheepluva	libtorque is something else?
19:31:27	raptor	i think TNL evolved into some other things like torque2d and torque3d
19:31:33	raptor	but we're just libtnl
19:31:57	raptor	also, we've strayed from the original TNL and made many of our own changes. so it's basically bitfighter-tnl now
19:32:30	sheepluva	heh, I see
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19:34:07	raptor	sheepluva: did you guys get into GCI or GSOC this year?
19:34:09	sheepluva	bitfighter has been around for 6 years? O_o wow, and only know I make first contact with it
19:34:38	sheepluva	raptor: nope, we stopped doing GSoC and especially GCI a while ago
19:34:46	raptor	yeah.. Watusimoto started it, then i joined about 2-3 years later
19:34:47	sheepluva	we just don't have time to mentor properly these days :/
19:39:24	raptor	dinner time! back later..
19:39:31	sheepluva	I'll be heading to bed
19:39:38	sheepluva	enjoy your dinner and see ya tomorrow ^^
19:39:51	raptor	thanks again!
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21:04:24	Watusimoto	sleepliva -- you must be in Europe
21:04:29	Watusimoto	oops sleeplova
21:04:35	Watusimoto	no!
21:04:38	Watusimoto	sleepluva
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22:01:52	raptor	Watusimoto: right now UIManager is created like this: ClientGame *clientGame = new ClientGame(..., new UIManager());
22:02:02	raptor	which suggests a different UIManager for each ClientGame
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