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| 00:45:28 | raptor | good evening |
| 00:46:00 | raptor | i'm only on shortly - I have some really early classes so I'll probably not be on too late this semester |
| 00:53:07 | raptor | probably in bed by 10pm Mountain time |
| 00:53:14 | raptor | even though I'm breaking that now... |
| 00:53:20 | raptor | good night! |
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| 13:03:18 | raptor | good day |
| 13:32:46 | watusimoto | hey there |
| 13:32:55 | watusimoto | good first day? |
| 13:32:57 | raptor | hi |
| 13:33:07 | raptor | looks like i'll be becoming a 'sparky' |
| 13:33:13 | watusimoto | ?? |
| 13:33:18 | watusimoto | arsonist? |
| 13:33:21 | raptor | soldering class on thursday |
| 13:33:35 | raptor | it's the endearing term for electrical engineers |
| 13:33:50 | watusimoto | ah, I see... that kind of "sparky" |
| 13:33:52 | raptor | at least as used here... |
| 13:34:03 | watusimoto | I thought maybe you were becoming a firehouse dog |
| 13:34:07 | raptor | hahaha |
| 13:34:08 | watusimoto | a dalmation or something |
| 13:34:17 | raptor | i think those have been overbred |
| 13:34:25 | watusimoto | completely |
| 13:34:31 | watusimoto | all 101 of them |
| 13:35:56 | raptor | i have yet to really start the work load, and the professor just found out that the book center never stocked or told anyone in our Circuits class that there was a book |
| 13:36:10 | raptor | and the class is double-pace, being in the Spring |
| 13:36:13 | watusimoto | ha... totally typical |
| 13:36:33 | watusimoto | spring semester is shorter than fall? |
| 13:36:46 | raptor | they fit in 2 double-pace semesters here: Spring and Summer |
| 13:36:48 | watusimoto | oh wait... it's may already |
| 13:36:57 | raptor | so i'm taking 7 credits, double-pace |
| 13:37:02 | raptor | then another 6 in Summer |
| 13:37:05 | watusimoto | full load |
| 13:37:12 | raptor | yep |
| 13:37:32 | watusimoto | engineers had to take 17-18 credits each sememster when I was in school |
| 13:37:36 | watusimoto | everyone else took 12\ |
| 13:37:49 | watusimoto | so I feel your pain |
| 13:37:57 | raptor | well... |
| 13:38:01 | raptor | the way they do it here |
| 13:38:19 | raptor | is they call it a 4 credit class (3 class hours + 1 lab hour) |
| 13:38:30 | watusimoto | yes |
| 13:38:36 | watusimoto | that's what we did too |
| 13:38:43 | raptor | when it really is a 3 hour lab with 1-3 hours after-lab work |
| 13:39:06 | watusimoto | for me the killer was the 100 hours of homework |
| 13:39:15 | raptor | so you're typical sparky does 13-16 credit hours with a load of 18 or more work |
| 13:39:18 | raptor | *your |
| 13:39:26 | raptor | computer engineering is the same |
| 13:39:56 | watusimoto | well, hopefully you have enough "life perspective" to enjoy it a little more than I did |
| 13:40:02 | watusimoto | I think going back I'd get more out of it |
| 13:40:07 | raptor | ha - that's for sure |
| 13:40:36 | raptor | that EM physics class, while very difficult, was a real eye-opener taking it at 31 then remembering the stuff when i was 18 |
| 13:40:44 | raptor | *than |
| 13:41:11 | raptor | sorry, i can't form complete, grammatically correct sentences at the moment |
| 13:47:53 | watusimoto | I understand |
| 13:48:01 | watusimoto | that stuff will dazzle your mind |
| 13:48:13 | watusimoto | kind of like a bright strobe in the middle of then ight |
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| 14:05:29 | raptor | i don't think i quite remember what I worked on last with bitfighter |
| 14:05:53 | raptor | I did a large GL refactor, and it looks like you've merged OK with that |
| 14:06:18 | raptor | i've checked up on debian - they are so slow, or just completely disinterested |
| 14:07:47 | watusimoto | or both |
| 14:07:59 | watusimoto | my short-term project is to try to get an android build going |
| 14:08:07 | watusimoto | don't know how far I'll get with that |
| 14:08:13 | raptor | oh, i found a doc with a few bugs left for 019: http://pastie.org/10120776 |
| 14:08:23 | watusimoto | then I'll probably start attacking the google-code list |
| 14:08:32 | watusimoto | there's some moderately fun sounding stuff in there |
| 14:08:34 | raptor | oh yeah - if you're doing android, take a good look at the SDL doc for setting it up |
| 14:08:45 | raptor | it basically has the instructions on how to use the NDK with it |
| 14:09:02 | raptor | also, make sure your android platform supports GLES 1 |
| 14:09:27 | raptor | i think most androids do, but i've heard talk about dropping support. not sure, though |
| 14:09:28 | watusimoto | I think it does |
| 14:09:43 | watusimoto | (support gles1) |
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| 14:12:39 | watusimoto | ok, all those pastie issues are now in the bug tracker |
| 14:13:02 | watusimoto | you can remove that doucment from your mindspace |
| 14:15:39 | raptor | thanks! |
| 14:17:56 | raptor | man, i got me a good mechanic |
| 14:19:28 | raptor | they had to replace an old part of the car's sway-bars. and when I drove it home, it had this popping noise. Apparently a bolt on the sway-bars snapped because being old and being aggravated during the repair |
| 14:20:12 | watusimoto | wow |
| 14:20:27 | raptor | they replaced the bolt and didn't charge for re-lifting the car and for taking it apart again - final cost was $10.50 |
| 14:20:33 | watusimoto | bolt;s don't really wear out... |
| 14:21:02 | raptor | so my statement above wasn't meant to be sarcastic - because they owned up to a probable mistake |
| 14:21:14 | watusimoto | you did escape with a low bill |
| 14:21:21 | watusimoto | I'll grant you that |
| 14:21:48 | watusimoto | it's been a long time since I've had a car in the shop |
| 14:22:06 | watusimoto | last time was my german car that was leaking oil all over the place; needed a new head gasket |
| 14:22:08 | raptor | how come? do-it-yourself? Or just good cars? |
| 14:22:13 | watusimoto | good cars |
| 14:22:25 | raptor | oh man, i had the head gasket replaced last year |
| 14:22:27 | watusimoto | I used to do a lot myself, but I've retired from that |
| 14:22:55 | watusimoto | I won't even change my own oil, when I can get someone else to do it for $25 |
| 14:23:41 | watusimoto | it's not the work so much (in that case) as the mess |
| 14:24:20 | raptor | yeah, i agree |
| 14:27:28 | watusimoto | even changing my bike tire... I hire that out now too (though I have a good shop 1 block from my house, so the convenience factor is high... would do it myself if the shop were a mile away) |
| 14:27:59 | raptor | I still do my own bike repairs - the kids like to watch and it let's me be creative sometimes :) |
| 14:28:09 | watusimoto | yes |
| 14:33:46 | raptor | hmmm... looks like the finall released the next major version of the forum software |
| 14:33:53 | raptor | *they finally |
| 14:37:12 | watusimoto | phpbb? |
| 14:37:19 | raptor | yes |
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| 14:40:43 | watusimoto | that will make everything better |
| 14:40:54 | watusimoto | we should probably upgrade at some point, if only for the security |
| 14:41:10 | raptor | yeah - i've been deleting about 2-3 bots a week again |
| 14:41:28 | watusimoto | maybe we need to finally implement the play-to-register test |
| 14:41:29 | raptor | they've gotten a lot smarter and either prescan or contain a copy of our database somehow |
| 14:41:43 | watusimoto | what do you mean? |
| 14:41:47 | raptor | because they post previous people's posts in an attempt to look authentic |
| 14:41:54 | watusimoto | ah, I see |
| 14:41:59 | watusimoto | well scraping that stuff is trivial |
| 14:42:32 | watusimoto | I do need a new kitchen... I wonder where I could get a good lead on that... |
| 14:42:44 | watusimoto | let me know if you hear of anything! |
| 14:42:55 | raptor | hH |
| 14:42:57 | raptor | haha |
| 14:43:02 | raptor | it's so bizarre |
| 14:43:16 | watusimoto | no kidding |
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| 14:57:27 | raptor | watusimoto: i'm jus tnow reading your e-mail about android |
| 14:57:54 | raptor | for eclipse: use a completely different eclipse install. I think there is a bundled eclipse+android SDK download somewhere |
| 14:58:16 | raptor | i just downloaded it, put it into local folder somewhere and run it |
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| 14:59:22 | raptor | also, for the JNI stuff - I had already done most of the work and it is found under the 'build/android/SDL-android-project' |
| 14:59:29 | raptor | tha tis in our repo |
| 14:59:41 | raptor | in fact, that should be able to import directly into the SDK |
| 14:59:49 | raptor | as an eclipse project |
| 15:13:56 | raptor | oooo - there is a mars rover collaboration project here that could be used as a tech elective... |
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| 17:01:55 | watusimoto | the android sdk comes with intellij now, not eclipse |
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| 18:10:24 | amgine123 | hi shades :) |
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| 18:55:53 | amgine123 | hi raptor :) |
| 19:00:26 | raptor | hi |
| 19:11:50 | amgine123 | didnt you say about geting me a build today ? |
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| 19:17:59 | raptor | not i said the fly |
| 19:18:40 | amgine123 | Yes you did check the logs! |
| 19:18:46 | amgine123 | it was either you or wattsimo |
| 19:18:56 | amgine123 | somone said that yesterday |
| 19:19:54 | raptor | not me said the bee |
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| 19:25:40 | amgine123 | it was wattsimo 19:32:36 watusimoto hey all 19:32:57 watusimoto amgine123: if you want, I can get you a new build tonight you can try out the new game object 19:33:04 watusimoto if I remember :-) 19:33:12 amgine123 ok 19:33:29 watusimoto will also need to know if you can make it crash 19:34:00 amgine123 ok any steps for teh crash ? 19:35:03 watusimoto no; all crashes I know about have been fixed 19:35:30 watusimoto I'll try to |
| 19:31:16 | amgine123 | so it was wattsimo :) |
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| 20:28:18 | sam686 | hi |
| 20:28:56 | sam686 | after months of being mostly quiet, here i say hi again. |
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| 20:36:22 | raptor | hi sam686! |
| 20:36:32 | sam686 | hi |
| 20:38:00 | raptor | welcome back |
| 20:38:19 | raptor | I took about a 3 week break myself - now i'm a full-time student again! |
| 20:38:19 | sam686 | what has changed since about.. a few month? |
| 20:38:28 | raptor | let's see - |
| 20:38:56 | raptor | i've been trying to maintain our 019x branch.. slowly. I'm thinking of an 019e as soon as I fix 2 or 3 bugs |
| 20:39:11 | raptor | 020 is so far different than 019 now that it's getting hard to merge in changes |
| 20:39:33 | raptor | major changes in 020 - I abstraacted all the OpenGL calls in preparation for GLES 2 compatibility |
| 20:40:02 | raptor | also, I think watusimoto changed the editor saving system from a state-saving system to a determinate system |
| 20:40:17 | raptor | so I presume there are lots of bugs everywhere, but I haven't really checked that much |
| 20:40:44 | raptor | also bots on the forums are getting smarter |
| 20:44:42 | sam686 | i don't think we can do much about 019, not sure until i check it,, |
| 20:44:46 | amgine123 | what bots on the forum XD |
| 20:45:06 | raptor | yeah - you don't have to do much - there is very little left |
| 20:45:15 | raptor | i'm fine with being the only one on it right now |
| 20:45:32 | raptor | oh, also, i submitted the game to debian... and waiting patiently for them to do something about it |
| 20:46:21 | sam686 | there is only about 126 changes since Feb 16 |
| 20:46:42 | raptor | hah, yeah - i think watusimoto may have taken a break in there, too... |
| 20:50:30 | sam686 | I have played too much PS3 games for a past few months |
| 20:52:12 | raptor | that can be a time-waster |
| 20:57:37 | sam686 | took about 90 seconds to build everything in windows 7, i7-2600, visual c++ 2008 |
| 20:57:53 | sam686 | comple errors, all in "bitfighterd" (dedicated) build. |
| 20:58:34 | raptor | i'm sure bitfighterd is horribly broken since i refactored all the UI code |
| 20:58:42 | sam686 | is google code will soon shut down? |
| 20:59:14 | raptor | yes |
| 20:59:28 | raptor | watusimoto and I have more-or-less decided to move to github, but i don't like git |
| 20:59:47 | amgine123 | raptor can i ask somthing bitfighter advsrtising related |
| 21:00:01 | raptor | I'll probably do the work, but secretly hoping github will add mercurial support sometime soon (which will, of course, never happen) |
| 21:00:23 | raptor | so i'm sort of being dragged into it |
| 21:00:23 | amgine123 | does bitfighter have a offcial "facebook" "twitter" page I thought that might help with mroe people playing and keep up to date with bitfighter activities |
| 21:00:40 | raptor | amgine123: there are some, but we don't run them |
| 21:01:04 | raptor | oh yeah, look on the bitfighter homepage for the links |
| 21:01:12 | raptor | we added the links because past community members asked us to |
| 21:01:14 | amgine123 | who does I THInk you should due to the fact it should be the main developers posting |
| 21:01:31 | sam686 | there is some options available: 1. github, 2. host own hg project |
| 21:01:46 | raptor | i agree, but honestly, we'd need a main developer who cares enough :) |
| 21:01:47 | sam686 | been a long time but i sort of setup my own http://sam6.25u.com/hg |
| 21:01:54 | sam686 | its outdated though |
| 21:02:09 | raptor | yeah, i've been thinking about that, too - SDL does own hosting |
| 21:02:42 | raptor | github is good, git is not so good, but we can use hg-git :) |
| 21:02:46 | sam686 | what about bug reports when google code shuts down? |
| 21:02:59 | amgine123 | hmm Im trying to think of other sites to advertise bitfighter that is popular maybe Reedit? |
| 21:04:13 | amgine123 | im not familer myseld i dont use it but is instagram a option as well ? |
| 21:06:06 | amgine123 | so any word on when 19E and 20 are goign to be released ? |
| 21:07:24 | sam686 | maybe bitfighter could use better graphics... |
| 21:07:59 | sam686 | there is a nintendo 64 game called "Asteroids Hyper 64" even it looks really good while keeping the game kindof basic. |
| 21:08:04 | amgine123 | I Think obect edges should have a "neon" glow :) |
| 21:08:33 | amgine123 | making objects glow would be cool |
| 21:08:45 | amgine123 | ARG compiler errors |
| 21:17:07 | raptor | sam686: the idea is to use some of kaen's shader-based work and port everything to GLES 2, then we can allow better effects graphics as well as turning them off/on |
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| 21:35:24 | watusimoto | amgine123: I said I would do a build last night, but I fell asleep too quickly :-( |
| 21:35:45 | amgine123 | stop counting ship zaps then XD |
| 21:36:37 | watusimoto | I spent 10+ days tracking down one stupid bug |
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| 21:38:15 | watusimoto | so I've been working, but just not too visibly |
| 21:38:20 | watusimoto | and not every single day |
| 21:38:28 | watusimoto | and now I must go... later all! |
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| 22:08:16 | raptor | well stink |
| 22:08:38 | raptor | because of my hybrid graphics card (optimius intel/nvidia) I cannot run two instances of bitfighter at once |
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| 22:10:51 | amgine123 | lol |
| 22:12:09 | Nothing_Much | raptor: optimus is really bad with Linux :< |
| 22:12:39 | raptor | yeah, it took me a while to figure it out and get it set up OK |
| 22:12:52 | raptor | I expect it'll break at next kernel update :-/ |
| 22:12:53 | Nothing_Much | Did you use Primus or Bumblebee? |
| 22:14:05 | raptor | yup |
| 22:14:40 | raptor | bumblebee is required, and primus is another way to launch it which allows slightly faster graphics |
| 22:14:50 | raptor | so both are installed and work |
| 22:14:51 | Nothing_Much | man |
| 22:15:28 | raptor | the normal intel graphics are just fine for almost everything, but OpenGL apps do much better with primusrun or optirun |
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| 22:21:04 | amgine123 | MY COmputer is back in the stone age XD |
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| 23:41:34 | Nothing_Much | amgine123: might be time for an upgrade to ARM if you play Bitfighter :o |
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| 23:46:41 | Nothing_Much | amgine123: do you know your computer's specifications? |