GridSize removal

[raptor]

Hello Bitfighters,

I'd like to get a feel for how the community uses the 'GridSize' feature of the level editor. We are thinking of removing it.

(Note that it is broken in 018 - levels that are different than the default still use the default of 255).

Is GridSize still being used?
Was it ever used often?
Is it necessary now that we have in-editor resizing?

Part of our motivation is that ForceFieldProjectors and Turrets are loaded and sometimes saved slightly 'off' in the editor; and this is due to the object coordinates being divided by the GridSize. Removing GridSize will let us tackle this problem (and others).

Thoughts? Concerns? Approvals?

Thanks!

[bobdaduck]

Given that its currently broken so *nobody* ever actually uses it, its safe to remove.

In Zap! it was used often, in absence of a scale tool.

Heh, I used it once before I knew of the scaling. Nobody uses it I think anyway

[Quartz]

Given that its currently broken so *nobody* ever actually uses it, its safe to remove.

In Zap! it was used often, in absence of a scale tool.

I have never used GridSize, but only because I never knew how. It seemed like a cool enough tool but understnading how it works is not very user-friendly.

well the lower the number, the more compressed the grid is, so more precision.

Well, sure. But you're just telling me what the tool does, which I'm already aware of -- it scales things. Knowing how to use it and how to use it effectively is another matter.

But hey, I don't need to know that now. I just wanted to point out that this was why it wasn't being used by me, and potentially other players too. Reading between the lines if I've been able to make levels without ever using it, then it's probably not a hugely important feature, at least in my opinion.

Yeah

i dont recommend removing it as i actually use it very often to help me make my levels in some ways its more helpful then the scale option.

removing it would help repairing lots-o-bugs, which is worth it, in my opinion

[raptor]

amgine,

How does it help you when compared to the in-editor scale tool?

Can we not let this topic derail?

Raptor, I wasn't aware there was a separate "scale tool," where can I find this feature?

It says in the instructions, I think. I never used it anyways

[raptor]

If you press F1 in the editor, then go to page 2 (with the arrow keys). It tells you:

'Scale selection Ctrl-Shift-X'

i scale the grid size up to help make more precise wall placment. on a related note scaling has problems as it only rescales walls and zones and doesnt always but not quite count for object placement and keeps them in place.

on a unrelated no wall join needs some work....

[karamazovapy]

GridSize was kind of nice because it allowed for clean coordinates while scaling. (1 1 2 2) instead of (0.0001 0.0001 0.0002 0.0002)

Maybe it's outlived its usefulness, though.

[watusimoto]

There seem to be fewer and fewer reasons to edit the raw level file. We haven't eliminated all of them yet, but the days of manipulating coordinates by hand may be behind us.