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bobdaduck wrote:*meme*
This is my main problem.

bobdaduck wrote:And also the part where everyone is cooperating is boring. If you REALLY want to play cooperatively... Then cooperate with your bloody team in the bloody team game.

bobdaduck wrote:Dungeons aren't hard. Novelty maps have their place... Say... Once a month? That'd be about right.

sky_lark wrote:No replay value? Maybe, if each segment of the dungeon can be beaten with mere memory. But there are a lot of dungeons that have skill-based challenges, and these dungeons have just as much replay value as a non-dungeon map.

Opti wrote:I don't think they are THAT bad. They are still not as good as just plain fighting though.

In general, an opinion is a belief about matters commonly considered to be subjective, i.e., it is based on that which is less than absolutely certain, and is the result of emotion or interpretation

bobdaduck wrote:

sky_lark wrote:No replay value? Maybe, if each segment of the dungeon can be beaten with mere memory. But there are a lot of dungeons that have skill-based challenges, and these dungeons have just as much replay value as a non-dungeon map.

Speed zone mazes

Have just as much replay value

Real?

Quartz wrote:The one player aspect of dungeons is just horribly boring.

Lamp wrote:What's ironic is that the two players who hate dungeons make the best dungeons!

bobdaduck wrote:You can't make dungeons until you hate dungeons or your dungeon will suck.

sky_lark wrote:

bobdaduck wrote:You can't make dungeons until you hate dungeons or your dungeon will suck.

This is a very good point. Why you guys are making dungeon maps, I don't know, but you two make great maps because you know what features are crap and to leave out and what features are good.

Quartz wrote:sky_lark has my permission to be my Valentine just for this comment.

sky_lark wrote:

Quartz wrote:sky_lark has my permission to be my Valentine just for this comment.

Okay, but you have to wear the dress.

Quartz wrote:Once you've played a dungeon once, you've played the map. That's it. There is no replay value, at all, ever. Especially if the dungeon has features that you can easily memorize (e.g. most dungeons).

Quartz wrote:Furthermore, the author of the level has to put in a metric crap ton of work ... for people to enjoy the level once. What could the author do instead? Make a normal map, putting in half or less of that work, for people to enjoy the level many, many times.

Quartz wrote:Seriously. I have no doubt that I will make another dungeon again at some point, but they tend to be very repetitive, boring, and a whole lot of time spent for very little satisfaction. There is a reason I made QuartzdaDuckgeon (AKA Mormon Cores) and Q-Emporer's Revenge player vs. player. The one player aspect of dungeons is just horribly boring.

bobdaduck wrote:

Lamp wrote:What's ironic is that the two players who hate dungeons make the best dungeons!

You can't make dungeons until you hate dungeons or your dungeon will suck.

sam686 wrote:

Quartz wrote:Once you've played a dungeon once, you've played the map. That's it. There is no replay value, at all, ever. Especially if the dungeon has features that you can easily memorize (e.g. most dungeons).

Once you played a campaign mode once on other game, that is it. There is no replay value, especially on games that doesn't change when playing campaign again on same game, which is most games.

Quartz wrote:Furthermore, the author of the level has to put in a metric crap ton of work ... for people to enjoy the level once. What could the author do instead? Make a normal map, putting in half or less of that work, for people to enjoy the level many, many times.

Hundreds of people make one game having campaign mode. They put far more work just for people to enjoy the campaign once. What can the game makers do instead? Avoid making campaign?

Quartz wrote:Seriously. I have no doubt that I will make another dungeon again at some point, but they tend to be very repetitive, boring, and a whole lot of time spent for very little satisfaction. There is a reason I made QuartzdaDuckgeon (AKA Mormon Cores) and Q-Emporer's Revenge player vs. player. The one player aspect of dungeons is just horribly boring.

Playing campaign over and over again on a same game is repetitive, boring, and and a whole lot of time spent for very little satisfaction. Most games campaign only allows single player, which farther make it boring.

Overall, dungeons and campaign mode is quite similar, both having some of same problems. Campain on most games seem to become garbage when beaten once, especially when many games only allows a single player in campaign.

The plus side of having level editor is, it only takes hours or days to make a level, compare that to making a separate game which takes many months or years.