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| 00:46:00 | karamazovapy | however long they've been active...since Feb 23, 2010, I guess |
| 00:47:00 | karamazovapy | drex hasn't logged in since jun 15 2010 |
| 00:47:00 | Zoomber | lol |
| 00:47:00 | karamazovapy | http://bitfighter.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=58 |
| 00:53:00 | Zoomber | karamazovapy, still havent joined #pointblank yet? |
| 00:53:00 | karamazovapy | nah...pointblank doesn't really rev my engine |
| 00:53:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 00:54:00 | karamazovapy | oooh...fun fact - I registered zap! on january 9, 2005 |
| 00:55:00 | karamazovapy | which means the installers I have from december 2004 are really from that time |
| 00:56:00 | Zoomber | wow |
| 00:56:00 | karamazovapy | yeah, I was playing as a [Guest] in november 2004 |
| 00:56:00 | karamazovapy | but I didn't save those first installers |
| 00:57:00 | Zoomber | did zap ever release updates? |
| 00:57:00 | karamazovapy | oh yeah, a bunch |
| 00:58:00 | karamazovapy | I have six installers archived on my harddrive |
| 00:58:00 | karamazovapy | but they date from 12/12/2004 - 2/26/2005 |
| 00:58:00 | karamazovapy | and I'm pretty positive they didn't release any more |
| 00:59:00 | Zoomber | was there any noticeable differences in the very first? |
| 00:59:00 | karamazovapy | oh yeah - early versions didn't even have bots |
| 01:00:00 | karamazovapy | but I'm actually going through and installing to read the changelogs |
| 01:00:00 | Zoomber | can you send me a copy of your oldest instealler? im curious to see what it was like then |
| 01:00:00 | karamazovapy | the earliest one? |
| 01:00:00 | Zoomber | yes |
| 01:00:00 | Zoomber | i did play back then, but only in lan games with others |
| 01:01:00 | karamazovapy | let's see if this works... |
| 01:01:00 | Zoomber | now when i look back, i remember my friends showing anger at me for guarding the nexus |
| 01:01:00 | Zoomber | hunters was everyones favorite gametype |
| 01:03:00 | karamazovapy | does it look like this DCC is going to go? |
| 01:04:00 | karamazovapy | whoa! the earliest version had the old mine graphic for the burst! |
| 01:04:00 | Zoomber | i got 1 KB of the file |
| 01:04:00 | karamazovapy | I |
| 01:04:00 | karamazovapy | 'll just post it somewhere |
| 01:04:00 | Zoomber | mediafire? |
| 01:05:00 | karamazovapy | nah, I don't think those services like exe's |
| 01:05:00 | | raptor has joined |
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| 01:05:00 | Zoomber | even in Zips? |
| 01:06:00 | Zoomber | hi raptor |
| 01:06:00 | karamazovapy | http://www.msu.edu/~youattan/Zap-1.5.0rc2-Installer.exe |
| 01:06:00 | raptor | hi |
| 01:06:00 | Zoomber | thanks |
| 01:06:00 | karamazovapy | np |
| 01:07:00 | raptor | so i am finally borrowing a usb xbox controller from a friend |
| 01:07:00 | raptor | now i can experience bitfighter like the pros |
| 01:07:00 | raptor | ok really it's for fixing bugs... |
| 01:08:00 | karamazovapy | holy crap - the old release has no level change options |
| 01:08:00 | karamazovapy | oh - it does - it's just under ADMIN |
| 01:08:00 | karamazovapy | and then CHANGE LEVEL |
| 01:09:00 | Zoomber | yeah, thats how all Zaps had it |
| 01:10:00 | karamazovapy | oh snap! what's your ip address? |
| 01:10:00 | karamazovapy | I should try to connect to you! |
| 01:12:00 | karamazovapy | I forgot you had to enter the editor from the command line, too |
| 01:12:00 | karamazovapy | and even then, you could only really use barriers, spawn points, turrets, and force fields |
| 01:13:00 | Zoomber | yeah |
| 01:13:00 | Zoomber | i was just going to say |
| 01:13:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 01:13:00 | raptor | controllers are sweet! |
| 01:13:00 | Zoomber | my ip is |
| 01:13:00 | karamazovapy | controllers are awesome |
| 01:13:00 | karamazovapy | want to pick a different version of zap! so we can use bots? |
| 01:13:00 | karamazovapy | OLD SCHOOL bots |
| 01:13:00 | Zoomber | 69.237.157.78 |
| 01:13:00 | Zoomber | my virtual pc is using up all my cpu |
| 01:13:00 | Zoomber | i bet its port 28000 too |
| 01:14:00 | karamazovapy | well I'll host, if we can get this to work |
| 01:14:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 01:14:00 | Zoomber | note: i am port forwarded and hosting already if you want to just go to mine, but i can -connect to you too |
| 01:15:00 | Zoomber | ooooops |
| 01:15:00 | Zoomber | looks like my virtual machine completley crashed now |
| 01:15:00 | karamazovapy | hm |
| 01:15:00 | Zoomber | ok whatever. ill connect to you then if you want |
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| 01:16:00 | Zoomber | what, how did i leave the room |
| 01:18:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: do your triggers work with your controller? |
| 01:18:00 | Zoomber | karamazovapy, do i need to create a shortcut like bitfighter to connect to you? |
| 01:18:00 | karamazovapy | triggers work with mine |
| 01:18:00 | raptor | i take it they don't show up as axes like on mine?' |
| 01:18:00 | karamazovapy | I'm trying to get a connect to work |
| 01:19:00 | karamazovapy | are you talking about regular trigger buttons? |
| 01:19:00 | karamazovapy | they show up as buttons for me |
| 01:19:00 | raptor | yep |
| 01:19:00 | raptor | ok |
| 01:19:00 | raptor | so my controller is wonky |
| 01:19:00 | raptor | oh well |
| 01:19:00 | raptor | new profile! |
| 01:19:00 | Zoomber | that post on customizing the ship.. |
| 01:19:00 | Zoomber | actually |
| 01:20:00 | Zoomber | id like to have the option to switch my hud and everythign to the look of Zap |
| 01:20:00 | Zoomber | just because, theres practically nothign but screen there |
| 01:20:00 | karamazovapy | you can do that via .ini |
| 01:20:00 | Zoomber | i dont have all the weapon selected stuff at the top |
| 01:20:00 | Zoomber | i can? |
| 01:20:00 | karamazovapy | loadoutindicators |
| 01:20:00 | karamazovapy | turn em off |
| 01:20:00 | Zoomber | oh |
| 01:20:00 | Zoomber | does it go back to, "burst selected"? |
| 01:21:00 | karamazovapy | there's just nothing up there |
| 01:21:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 01:21:00 | karamazovapy | I always had mine off, but then turning them off interfered with chat messages |
| 01:21:00 | Zoomber | stil, theres the chats also didnt highlight the bar, the menu was less, everything was all simplified |
| 01:22:00 | karamazovapy | just for fun, try zap -connect 98.250.180.4 and then join a LAN game |
| 01:23:00 | karamazovapy | I don't think it'll work...I'm gonna test a more recent version |
| 01:24:00 | Zoomber | hey karamazovapy, c.bob might have the source code to the zap curve tool |
| 01:24:00 | karamazovapy | eh...I don't really care about the curve tool |
| 01:24:00 | Zoomber | if you can still somehow reach him |
| 01:25:00 | Zoomber | 98.250.180.4 isnt working |
| 01:26:00 | Zoomber | oh wait |
| 01:26:00 | Zoomber | nope |
| 01:26:00 | Zoomber | ok, maybe |
| 01:26:00 | Zoomber | i hosted a server |
| 01:26:00 | Zoomber | do you see it? |
| 01:26:00 | karamazovapy | let me test |
| 01:26:00 | Zoomber | the server list was blank for me, and it took a while to join |
| 01:27:00 | Zoomber | wait |
| 01:28:00 | Zoomber | i saw you join |
| 01:28:00 | karamazovapy | you saw a connect request? |
| 01:28:00 | Zoomber | IP:98.250.180.4:57873 - client "_k" connected. |
| 01:28:00 | Zoomber | IP:98.250.180.4:57873 disconnected |
| 01:28:00 | karamazovapy | okay - watch now |
| 01:28:00 | Zoomber | Got ping packet from IP:192.168.2.16:1045 |
| 01:28:00 | karamazovapy | anything? |
| 01:28:00 | Zoomber | Got ping packet from IP:192.168.2.16:1045 |
| 01:28:00 | Zoomber | IP:98.250.180.4:54205 - client "_k" connected. |
| 01:28:00 | Zoomber | IP:98.250.180.4:54205 disconnected |
| 01:29:00 | Zoomber | oh, those ping packets were from me i think |
| 01:29:00 | karamazovapy | was that just now? |
| 01:29:00 | Zoomber | yeah |
| 01:29:00 | Zoomber | i connected a zap client from mac and my virtual windows there |
| 01:29:00 | karamazovapy | are you hosting dedicated, or just regular? |
| 01:29:00 | Zoomber | im using -connect |
| 01:30:00 | karamazovapy | I mean your server |
| 01:30:00 | Zoomber | yes |
| 01:30:00 | Zoomber | both are running server by selecting "host game" |
| 01:30:00 | karamazovapy | is it dedicated, or just a client host? |
| 01:30:00 | Zoomber | option "dos" |
| 01:31:00 | Zoomber | it just showed you join and leave really quickly |
| 01:31:00 | Zoomber | how about you try hosting? |
| 01:31:00 | karamazovapy | hosting |
| 01:31:00 | karamazovapy | so I've got zap -connect IP:69.237.157.78:28000 |
| 01:31:00 | karamazovapy | then PLAY LAN |
| 01:32:00 | karamazovapy | now I'm hosting a game |
| 01:32:00 | Zoomber | broadcasting on my computer? |
| 01:32:00 | Zoomber | or ip.. |
| 01:33:00 | karamazovapy | uh...what? |
| 01:33:00 | Zoomber | ah |
| 01:33:00 | Zoomber | 98.250.180.4 |
| 01:33:00 | Zoomber | IP:98.250.180.4:0 disconnected |
| 01:33:00 | Zoomber | i should have tried that with the port |
| 01:35:00 | karamazovapy | to be fair, I don't know if these commands ever worked |
| 01:35:00 | | dajoker has joined |
| 01:35:00 | karamazovapy | or how they were intended to work |
| 01:35:00 | Zoomber | hi dajoker |
| 01:35:00 | dajoker | hello Zoomber |
| 01:35:00 | Zoomber | i was able to play a game with raptor and sam686 earlier with -connect |
| 01:35:00 | Zoomber | try hosting again on your own ip |
| 01:36:00 | Zoomber | i redid the -connect |
| 01:36:00 | raptor | dajoker: i know you |
| 01:36:00 | Zoomber | but make sure you host on ip 28000 |
| 01:36:00 | Zoomber | i think thats the only one im broadcasting |
| 01:36:00 | dajoker | raptor: yes you do, and in fact I was here to find you |
| 01:36:00 | raptor | alas, i've been spotted |
| 01:36:00 | dajoker | and in the process I was distracted and have almost downloaded Bitfighter. |
| 01:36:00 | Zoomber | ALMOST??!??? |
| 01:36:00 | raptor | go for it! |
| 01:37:00 | Zoomber | go for it! |
| 01:37:00 | raptor | sam686: I think i am going to solve the raw controller buttons issue now that i've borrowed one |
| 01:37:00 | dajoker | well, almost as in my download has yet to complete. |
| 01:37:00 | Zoomber | ah |
| 01:37:00 | Zoomber | Zap! - Don't let graphics get in the way of your gameplay. |
| 01:39:00 | karamazovapy | I'm playing with the old bots |
| 01:39:00 | karamazovapy | I've got [BOT]ShazBOT, [BOT]GirlBOT, and [BOT]Walkabout |
| 01:40:00 | Zoomber | i could have bet money on some bots being better than others |
| 01:40:00 | Zoomber | joshBOT, BOTslicer, irrelevent smoke, and GirlBOT were the strongest |
| 01:41:00 | Zoomber | too bad for us, all we have are s_bot and the karamazovs |
| 01:41:00 | karamazovapy | irrelevant smoke wasn't a bot, he was a guy |
| 01:42:00 | karamazovapy | maybe I was just thinking of smoky diamond |
| 01:42:00 | karamazovapy | oooh...old zap! game messages faded when they got old |
| 01:43:00 | dajoker | I've obviously never played Robotron. |
| 01:43:00 | dajoker | okay, back to that in a bit. |
| 01:43:00 | karamazovapy | robotron is nothing like zap |
| 01:44:00 | Zoomber | yeah, i loved all zap messages |
| 01:45:00 | Zoomber | karamazovapy http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/6193/screenshot20110928at644.png |
| 01:45:00 | karamazovapy | HexBOTic, TwitchBOT, BOTIN8R, BOT Milk?, LigerBOT |
| 01:45:00 | Zoomber | i love this picture, because the Zoomber Zapped karamazovapy message would display at the top, instead fo inside the game |
| 01:46:00 | Zoomber | karamazovapy: soon enough you will find bot irrelevent smoke |
| 01:46:00 | Zoomber | i think that was the best bot too |
| 01:46:00 | karamazovapy | oh, you mean how zone/goal/flag messages were filtered separately from kills? |
| 01:47:00 | karamazovapy | TickTock, Trail of Rust, Fishbait, Slicer, Skulker |
| 01:47:00 | Zoomber | some computer with the name novell-6e45f9f7 got onto my network |
| 01:47:00 | karamazovapy | Cathode Kiss, Irrelevant Smoke, Rampart, Neon Blossom, Evenkill |
| 01:47:00 | raptor | haha, that was probably dajoker |
| 01:48:00 | Zoomber | ? |
| 01:48:00 | Zoomber | onto my network? |
| 01:48:00 | dajoker | Um..................... I don't think so. I would deny it even if it was me, but I'd never leave something that obvious around. |
| 01:48:00 | Zoomber | what? |
| 01:48:00 | raptor | well, it wasn't me... |
| 01:48:00 | Zoomber | what are you two talking about? |
| 01:49:00 | Zoomber | ticktock was a good bot too |
| 01:49:00 | karamazovapy | JayBOT, MotoBOT, BOTpressor, DrakanBOT, joshBOT |
| 01:49:00 | Zoomber | besides motobot, those were all good too |
| 01:49:00 | Zoomber | you still havent gotten to BOT pr0n and BOT tr0n |
| 01:50:00 | karamazovapy | BOTurus, Nuebi, JesusBOT, Tr0n, CiperBOT |
| 01:50:00 | raptor | do you guy shave code for those bots? |
| 01:50:00 | raptor | and if so, in what language are they written? |
| 01:50:00 | karamazovapy | BritBOT, Pr0n |
| 01:50:00 | Zoomber | these zap bots? |
| 01:51:00 | karamazovapy | the bots weren't packaged as separate files |
| 01:51:00 | karamazovapy | these are zap bots |
| 01:51:00 | Zoomber | ask ben garnay |
| 01:51:00 | karamazovapy | PonyBOT |
| 01:51:00 | karamazovapy | they're not as good as our bots |
| 01:51:00 | Zoomber | well.. |
| 01:51:00 | karamazovapy | they're not |
| 01:52:00 | karamazovapy | except they repair equipment when they get in range, if that's considered "better" |
| 01:52:00 | Zoomber | they cant navigate for pennies |
| 01:52:00 | Zoomber | that kind of got annoying, when all the bots would follow and repair you and push you into a corner |
| 01:53:00 | karamazovapy | yeah, they totally swarm |
| 01:53:00 | karamazovapy | I still have screenshots of that |
| 01:55:00 | karamazovapy | oooh...zap! gave you 1 point for each kill in hunters games |
| 01:55:00 | karamazovapy | without any flag returns |
| 01:55:00 | karamazovapy | their bots were smarter hunters players |
| 01:56:00 | karamazovapy | especially with going for the nexus come open time |
| 01:58:00 | Zoomber | yes |
| 01:59:00 | Zoomber | our bots are more smart, they're just more compatible with the game itself, besides the wall problem\ |
| 02:01:00 | karamazovapy | http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9254/zapbots.png |
| 02:03:00 | Zoomber | hey raptor, is it possibly to have lua code randomly assign bot names to bots when you add them, BUT, only if they havent been selected already. So, botnames that arent in use, or in use the least, are the favored |
| 02:03:00 | karamazovapy | yes |
| 02:03:00 | Zoomber | in zap, it randomly adds bot anmes, but doesn't add two of one name until theyre all there |
| 02:05:00 | karamazovapy | I actually considered pursuing that, then I decided it would be cooler if my bots were genuinely unique and I randomly selected which of them to add |
| 02:06:00 | Zoomber | id rather add these bot names than s_bot |
| 02:06:00 | Zoomber | and the karamazovs are only on kserv |
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| 02:23:00 | karamazovapy | restarting |
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| 02:56:00 | raptor | yeah, so |
| 02:56:00 | raptor | xbox 360 triggers show up as axes |
| 03:05:00 | raptor | sam686: have you ever had the triggers show up as axes? |
| 03:07:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: what are triggers used for in-game? |
| 03:08:00 | karamazovapy | I use them for my modules |
| 03:17:00 | raptor | it looks like the linux hardware driver for my borrowed controller is the problem |
| 03:17:00 | raptor | great, i finally get a controller and it's gimpy on my system |
| 03:20:00 | karamazovapy | the xbox config might just take some tweaking...I doubt it's the controller itself |
| 03:20:00 | karamazovapy | this is my controller mapping > http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7203/layoutuy.png |
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| 03:50:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: are those analog triggers? |
| 03:50:00 | karamazovapy | not sure what you're asking |
| 03:51:00 | karamazovapy | also, I call them shoulder buttons |
| 03:51:00 | raptor | like if you pull harder on the triggers, can a game detect that and fire faster/slower? |
| 03:51:00 | karamazovapy | nope. they're just regular buttons. |
| 03:51:00 | karamazovapy | on/off |
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| 04:40:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit b49e29aab519 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Fix raw joystick button detection; also add preliminary support for xbox 360 controller (triggers don't work - detected as axes) |
| 04:40:00 | raptor | sam686: fixed raw joystick button detection |
| 04:42:00 | Zoomber | raptor, who was your friend eariler? |
| 04:42:00 | raptor | a co-worker |
| 04:42:00 | raptor | works for Novell, too |
| 04:42:00 | Zoomber | aah |
| 04:43:00 | Zoomber | was he the one that somehow got under my "shared networks" ? |
| 04:43:00 | Zoomber | there was a novel something number |
| 04:43:00 | raptor | he said he didn't, and i didn't, so the mystery remains, i think |
| 04:43:00 | Zoomber | its gone now |
| 04:43:00 | Zoomber | but, how is it even possible? |
| 04:44:00 | Zoomber | it showed my imac, my laptop, my netbook, and this novel computer |
| 04:44:00 | Zoomber | but i thought you have to be inside the local network for a shared computer to show up? |
| 04:44:00 | raptor | i don't know |
| 04:46:00 | Zoomber | now the only thing on the shared network list, is my router |
| 04:50:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit 981bef46a5be | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Don't toggle button, properly disable |
| 04:54:00 | raptor | ok, i'm of to bed |
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| 12:11:00 | watusimoto | hey all |
| 12:11:00 | sam686 | hi |
| 12:15:00 | watusimoto | my refactor is mostly working now |
| 12:15:00 | watusimoto | finally! |
| 12:16:00 | sam686 | good.. |
| 12:16:00 | watusimoto | not perfectly, but the crashes are gone |
| 12:16:00 | watusimoto | I found a pm bug, which I could hide or fix |
| 12:16:00 | watusimoto | I really should fix it |
| 12:17:00 | watusimoto | but I'm tempted to remove the assert that exposes it |
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| 13:29:00 | raptor | what is a 'pm' bug? |
| 13:30:00 | raptor | post mortem |
| 13:30:00 | raptor | properly mangled |
| 13:30:00 | sam686 | not sure, probably something specific to watusimoto's un-pushed or un-commited cahnges.. |
| 13:30:00 | raptor | good morning |
| 13:31:00 | sam686 | seems like you did some joystick, and having axis problem with triggers... |
| 13:31:00 | raptor | oh yeah |
| 13:31:00 | raptor | fixed that raw button bug |
| 13:32:00 | raptor | and i added support for xbox 360 controller |
| 13:32:00 | raptor | because that is what i borrowed from a fried |
| 13:32:00 | raptor | friend |
| 13:32:00 | sam686 | that is probably becasue of the controller itself have an analog triggers instead of the usual on-off button. |
| 13:32:00 | raptor | yes, that is what I think, too |
| 13:33:00 | sam686 | did yours show both triggers independently or together? |
| 13:33:00 | raptor | independently |
| 13:34:00 | raptor | axes 2 and 5 |
| 13:34:00 | sam686 | what axis number did left and right trigger show up as? |
| 13:35:00 | raptor | looking again.. |
| 13:36:00 | raptor | http://208.107.52.15/upload/1screenshot_5.png |
| 13:37:00 | sam686 | that simple, if axis[2] >= 0 then simulate button down, or something... |
| 13:40:00 | sam686 | though, not sure how windows does it, with SDL, as it might have it a single axis for combined left and right trigger ( http://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?t=6352&sid=35bdc1b1615f9ea081671ff548a7e360 ) |
| 13:43:00 | raptor | yeah in linux, there are two axis, and if you hold the trigger half way down, you hit 0 |
| 13:43:00 | raptor | holding it all the way down and you get -32728 |
| 13:44:00 | sam686 | yes, probably easy to program it as button down with > 0, button up with < 0. |
| 13:44:00 | raptor | i wonder if SDL just doesn't support analog triggers.. |
| 13:45:00 | raptor | i bet SDL 1.3 would... |
| 13:45:00 | raptor | but few systems run that |
| 13:47:00 | sam686 | once again, there seem to be a need to have options to configure joystick axis, and maybe buttons... |
| 13:48:00 | sam686 | for linux users, it is easy to compile, but for windows and mac users, thats a bit harder to re-compile it, especially due to downloading a binary file from releases.. |
| 13:48:00 | raptor | yes |
| 13:48:00 | raptor | you found my next project :) |
| 13:49:00 | raptor | unless there was some other bug you know of with joystick... |
| 13:50:00 | sam686 | some joystick have a round circle ranges for analog sticks, meaning you won't reach (-1,-1) can only reach up to (0.7,0.7) to the corner. |
| 13:51:00 | sam686 | and then, your ship might not reach full speed when traveling diagnal.. |
| 13:51:00 | raptor | ok |
| 13:51:00 | raptor | i think i lowered the maximum threshold... |
| 13:51:00 | raptor | let me look |
| 13:56:00 | raptor | also, is 10% still to low for the axis to engage? |
| 13:56:00 | raptor | this controller's sticks sometimes rest at greater than 10% and i start to drift slightly |
| 13:56:00 | sam686 | maybe add a configurable dead zone option? |
| 13:57:00 | sam686 | some joystick controller is better then others.. |
| 13:57:00 | raptor | do you have that problem on your controller? |
| 13:58:00 | sam686 | mine seem to have been ok.. |
| 13:59:00 | sam686 | except, mine could drift to the left sometimes.. |
| 13:59:00 | raptor | this controller doesn't hit full up and left when going diagonal |
| 13:59:00 | karamazovapy | in windows, you can calibrate the controller's sensitivity |
| 13:59:00 | karamazovapy | so it reinterprets 100% as whatever you want it to be |
| 14:00:00 | raptor | it's about 80% |
| 14:00:00 | sam686 | i use windows, and i don't see sensitivity options in windows joystick.. |
| 14:02:00 | karamazovapy | I know it's in older versions, but in windows 7, it's "Set up USB game controllers" |
| 14:02:00 | raptor | so the question is: do we want to have full 100% on the diagonals? |
| 14:02:00 | karamazovapy | then Properties > Settings > Calibrate |
| 14:03:00 | sam686 | this is what i see, no calibrate options. http://208.107.52.15/bitfighter/joystick_settings.png |
| 14:03:00 | karamazovapy | hm...that's kind of surprising |
| 14:04:00 | karamazovapy | I wonder if there's a better driver that would let you do more |
| 14:04:00 | karamazovapy | I get an entire Windows Calibration Wizard |
| 14:04:00 | raptor | so ignoring calibration |
| 14:04:00 | raptor | if i hit 80% on the joypad, should I pretend it's 100%? |
| 14:05:00 | karamazovapy | that's what I want, if you max out at 80 |
| 14:05:00 | karamazovapy | *I'd |
| 14:05:00 | raptor | ok |
| 14:05:00 | raptor | let me code that in... |
| 14:06:00 | karamazovapy | matters more for thrust than the aim/fire stick |
| 14:06:00 | sam686 | in a second thought, if move speed is capped to 1.0 or something, then that would make (1,1) turn into (0.7, 0.7) right? |
| 14:07:00 | karamazovapy | I think there are only a few tiers of thrust, aren't there? |
| 14:07:00 | raptor | sin(tau/8) |
| 14:08:00 | karamazovapy | or is it really a 1:1 relation between % and thrust? |
| 14:08:00 | raptor | it's linear, yes |
| 14:08:00 | karamazovapy | maybe I was just thinking of the aim/fire threshholds |
| 14:08:00 | raptor | i meant secant.. |
| 14:09:00 | raptor | so sin^-1(tau/8) = .9 |
| 14:10:00 | raptor | not 0.7 |
| 14:11:00 | raptor | so 80% is good upper threshold, i think |
| 14:12:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: when testing with that 016 exe i gave you, did you have problems with drifting when letting the joystick center rest? |
| 14:12:00 | karamazovapy | nope - that's a calibration problem |
| 14:12:00 | karamazovapy | although you can try forcing the stick in each direction to see if that "unsticks" a digital value |
| 14:13:00 | raptor | what would you think is a good lower threshold to ignore? right now it's 10% |
| 14:13:00 | raptor | i'm thinking of raising it to 15% |
| 14:13:00 | karamazovapy | how does that feel when you try it? |
| 14:14:00 | raptor | at 10% i don't always stay still... with this controller |
| 14:14:00 | raptor | and this is just 0 calibration raw input |
| 14:14:00 | raptor | from the OS |
| 14:14:00 | karamazovapy | I was thinking more about how 10 or 15% feels in the stick when you tilt it |
| 14:14:00 | raptor | ah... let me get you something to test :) |
| 14:15:00 | raptor | (if you are not on your way to work..) |
| 14:15:00 | raptor | (or at work) |
| 14:15:00 | karamazovapy | I actually really have to get some thesis stuff done |
| 14:15:00 | karamazovapy | I'm bound and determined to have a draft by sunday night |
| 14:16:00 | raptor | cool |
| 14:16:00 | raptor | maybe later, then |
| 14:16:00 | karamazovapy | later! |
| 14:36:00 | sam686 | found a broken Game::getPlayerCount() { return getClientCount() - getRobotCount(); } will be {return 1 - 1;} then server attemps to enter suspend mode and restart levels on /addbot |
| 14:37:00 | sam686 | maybe, robots used to be counted as clients, but not sure... |
| 14:38:00 | raptor | is this iwth 015a? |
| 14:38:00 | raptor | because i think i've seen some of the servers with bots not suspend |
| 14:39:00 | sam686 | it is suspended even with the bots, have you ever joined a server which has zero players, and the game is already half way done? |
| 14:40:00 | raptor | not sure |
| 14:43:00 | raptor | i think so yes |
| 14:43:00 | raptor | sometimes i also see in teh lobby that servers have 0/3 players in them (like karamazovapy's server) |
| 14:44:00 | raptor | instead of 0/0 |
| 14:44:00 | raptor | whne it should be suspended |
| 14:44:00 | sam686 | it is suspended with zero players (even with bots), thats how many bots when players join, and game start with that many bots.. |
| 14:45:00 | sam686 | as soon as i join a 0 player 2 bots, time limit is 9:59 |
| 14:48:00 | raptor | ah ok, i misunderstood how it works |
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| 15:06:00 | raptor | now this is weird |
| 16:00:00 | raptor | ok joystick should be a bit better |
| 16:01:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit 3d7dacbae479 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Joystick axes controls are much better now: - Add upper sensitivity limit ~80%; any more is full power - Increased lower limit to ~15%; joysticks should drift less |
| 16:16:00 | raptor | ok karamazovapy, if you ever have time between now and sunday night: http://208.107.52.15/upload/Bitfighter-Installer-016-joysticksensitivity.exe |
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| 17:12:00 | raptor | i wonder how evil watusimoto's merge will be... |
| 17:15:00 | Zoomber | oh my goodness raptor! |
| 17:15:00 | Zoomber | up soo early! |
| 17:16:00 | raptor | yeah.. still in the hospital |
| 17:16:00 | Zoomber | oh, i guess 7:30 isnt too bad |
| 17:16:00 | Zoomber | Wait what? are you ok? |
| 17:16:00 | raptor | yes, my second son was just born :) |
| 17:16:00 | karamazovapy | hatched a baby raptor |
| 17:17:00 | raptor | ok.. i finally stopped laughing |
| 17:17:00 | raptor | i must be more tired than i thought |
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| 19:40:00 | Zoomber | hi sam |
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| 19:42:00 | Zoomber | hi lorddvg |
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| 20:03:00 | LordDVG | Hello Zoomber |
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| 20:18:00 | Zoomber | hi flynnn |
| 20:18:00 | Zoomber | raptor on? |
| 20:18:00 | Zoomber | Zoomber: join #bitfighter |
| 20:18:00 | Zoomber | [1:18pm] ibo: ok i join (if possible) |
| 20:18:00 | Zoomber | pointblank is really coming along |
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| 21:26:00 | Zoomber | sam686 on yet? |
| 21:26:00 | sam686 | hi |
| 21:28:00 | Zoomber | hi |
| 21:28:00 | sam686 | hi |
| 21:30:00 | Zoomber | hi |
| 21:31:00 | sam686 | hi |
| 21:32:00 | Zoomber | you have that old laptop right? |
| 21:33:00 | sam686 | yes, but not that old, it is about year 2008 (i think) of when i got tiny laptop, or it could be called netbook... |
| 21:34:00 | Zoomber | what kind/model is it? |
| 21:34:00 | sam686 | but it has a slow intel atom, but that CPU hardly take any electrical power at all... |
| 21:35:00 | Zoomber | yeah, so does mine |
| 21:35:00 | Zoomber | what kind/model? |
| 21:35:00 | sam686 | pentium 4 3 GHz and intel atom at 1.6 Ghz is just about equal speed, but my pentium 4 is slightly faster... |
| 21:35:00 | Zoomber | what computer? |
| 21:36:00 | sam686 | HP Mini 110-1000 |
| 21:38:00 | Zoomber | you should try what im doing |
| 21:38:00 | Zoomber | put osx86 on it |
| 21:38:00 | Zoomber | its a nice challange |
| 21:38:00 | Zoomber | and, you'l have a mac once your done |
| 21:39:00 | sam686 | why sould i? it is just another operating system, and if windows XP is too old, i could just use an already installed linux ubuntu... |
| 21:41:00 | sam686 | i won't think mac os x won't run good in slow intel graphics... |
| 21:41:00 | Zoomber | you can use my mac install cd image; i got it from my own dvd. |
| 21:41:00 | Zoomber | mac was made for slow intel gma graphics! |
| 21:41:00 | Zoomber | my macbook has intel gma graphics |
| 21:42:00 | Zoomber | i did it on my old desktop, trying it on my netbook right now, which also has an itel atom cpu |
| 21:42:00 | sam686 | mine is intel 945 express chipset graphics... |
| 21:43:00 | Zoomber | so is my netbooks |
| 21:46:00 | sam686 | there is some downside on having mac os on a non-apple hardware.. |
| 21:47:00 | Zoomber | yeah, thats why insanleymac.com was created |
| 21:52:00 | Zoomber | of course if you use it alot, its not a good idea to |
| 21:53:00 | Zoomber | but if you dont use your netbook much, installing mac os x will give you the capability of a full featured operating system that most applications can run on, and it will run smoothly |
| 21:54:00 | sam686 | what i have in laptop is a dual boot options to windows xp and linux.. |
| 21:55:00 | Zoomber | mac osx usis Guild Partition Table, which lets you run mac, windows, or linux on it if you wanted to dual-boot |
| 21:55:00 | sam686 | i seem to find that linux is better in some things, including a central area of updater for most programs.. |
| 21:55:00 | Zoomber | important updates use software update built into mac osx |
| 21:56:00 | Zoomber | even then, there is app fresh |
| 21:56:00 | Zoomber | which is a central update center for mac, just 3rd party, if you really wanted that |
| 21:56:00 | sam686 | there is programs that run in windows and won't work in mac... |
| 21:57:00 | sam686 | and, i would think installing mac on non-mac machine is very hard.. |
| 21:57:00 | sam686 | or risky, as if something didn't work... |
| 21:59:00 | Zoomber | risk is the reason im doing this |
| 22:00:00 | Zoomber | i want to challenge myself to get mac on my acer |
| 22:00:00 | Zoomber | here, im using a tutorial https://basshead.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/snow-leopard-on-acer-aspire-one-aoa150zg5/ |
| 22:01:00 | sam686 | I haven't hardly used mac at all, if i would want to try mac, i might as will first run it as virtual machine.. |
| 22:03:00 | Zoomber | want to? i can send you a disk image of it |
| 22:03:00 | raptor | hi |
| 22:03:00 | Zoomber | hi raptor |
| 22:03:00 | sam686 | hi |
| 22:03:00 | Zoomber | raptor: taking my next big cyber challenge |
| 22:03:00 | raptor | Zoomber: are you trying to convince sam686 to go hackintosh? |
| 22:03:00 | Zoomber | putting osx86 on my acer aspire one |
| 22:03:00 | Zoomber | YES I AM |
| 22:04:00 | raptor | :) |
| 22:04:00 | Zoomber | more like, im trying to convert him to the dark side |
| 22:04:00 | Zoomber | : ] |
| 22:05:00 | Zoomber | it looks really beautiful during the install screen, when running it. want to see a pic? |
| 22:05:00 | raptor | i see sam686 more as a linux guy on the opposite end of the spectrum.. I think |
| 22:05:00 | Zoomber | hey raptor: think of the color spectrum you see when your in say..photosho |
| 22:05:00 | Zoomber | photoshop* |
| 22:05:00 | raptor | ok |
| 22:05:00 | Zoomber | it starts with red, right? |
| 22:05:00 | raptor | yes |
| 22:06:00 | Zoomber | in the middle its purple, but at the end of the spectrum, its red again! |
| 22:06:00 | raptor | umm... |
| 22:06:00 | raptor | depends on the spectrum |
| 22:06:00 | Zoomber | not a real spectrum |
| 22:06:00 | Zoomber | the image in photoshop |
| 22:07:00 | raptor | let me launch 'the gimp' and see if there's something similar.. :) |
| 22:07:00 | raptor | ok, i found that one |
| 22:11:00 | Zoomber | raptor, can we at least give sam the eyglass to see into a virtual mac? |
| 22:12:00 | Zoomber | ok im sorry, ill stop being evil |
| 22:12:00 | raptor | i would say that a VM would be a good tool to have |
| 22:12:00 | Zoomber | yes |
| 22:12:00 | raptor | even I have one... and I'm as far from being a Mac person as migh tbe able to get... |
| 22:13:00 | raptor | did I ever sent you a VM? I don't remember |
| 22:13:00 | Zoomber | you did |
| 22:13:00 | Zoomber | its on my server, if sam wants it |
| 22:13:00 | raptor | ok cool |
| 22:13:00 | Zoomber | i have my snow leopard disk image i imaged off my computer |
| 22:14:00 | Zoomber | do you want a copy of it raptor? |
| 22:14:00 | raptor | nah, i can get them from work |
| 22:14:00 | raptor | thanks though |
| 22:14:00 | Zoomber | np |
| 22:14:00 | Zoomber | if you mind me asking, what sort of stuff you and your company create? |
| 22:15:00 | Zoomber | web apps? |
| 22:15:00 | raptor | i'll PM you |
| 22:15:00 | Zoomber | OK |
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| 22:25:00 | Zoomber | ok, i need to work on my sibaleus project for a while |
| 22:37:00 | Zoomber | man, mac os graphics RULE |
| 22:43:00 | Zoomber | ok raptor: nows the test to see how fast mac runs on my netbook |
| 22:43:00 | Zoomber | here we goo.... |
| 22:43:00 | raptor | aaaand.... |
| 22:43:00 | raptor | crash! |
| 22:44:00 | karamazovapy | oh, it'll run |
| 22:44:00 | karamazovapy | like QWOP |
| 22:44:00 | Zoomber | woooooooooow |
| 22:44:00 | Zoomber | you guys are all WRONG |
| 22:44:00 | Zoomber | it opened safari in 2 seconds |
| 22:44:00 | Zoomber | want a pic? |
| 22:44:00 | Zoomber | maybe a video to prove i didnt photoshop it? |
| 22:44:00 | karamazovapy | you're saying it doesn't have limited controls and execution that looks kind of retarded? |
| 22:45:00 | Zoomber | oh yeah it does right now, but im not entirley finished |
| 22:45:00 | raptor | hahaha |
| 22:45:00 | karamazovapy | QWOP |
| 22:45:00 | Zoomber | being an insanley mac user, this is the fun part |
| 22:46:00 | Zoomber | bluetooth already works nativley |
| 22:47:00 | raptor | qwop that running game i just found? |
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| 22:47:00 | raptor | i got 1.1 metres! |
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| 22:47:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 22:47:00 | Zoomber | hang on though, i have Alot to fix first |
| 22:47:00 | karamazovapy | check youtube for qwop videos |
| 22:50:00 | Zoomber | note, apps are opening quickly even when 50% of my cpu is in use by indexing |
| 22:50:00 | Zoomber | which is completley normal when you first run a newley installed mac |
| 22:53:00 | Zoomber | NOOO WAY |
| 22:53:00 | Zoomber | /knrlrage |
| 22:53:00 | Zoomber | camera works nativley |
| 22:53:00 | Zoomber | camera ACTUALLy works, |
| 22:54:00 | Zoomber | thats crazycool |
| 22:54:00 | Zoomber | thats the last thing i would have expected to work |
| 22:54:00 | raptor | for me, it's always the wireless |
| 22:54:00 | raptor | maybe audio |
| 22:54:00 | karamazovapy | yeah...drivers |
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| 22:56:00 | Zoomber | audio and wireless are the toughest for osx86 |
| 22:56:00 | Zoomber | i thought the camera would be up there too |
| 22:58:00 | sam686 | 3D graphics drivers might be hard for linux to get working, especially if using nvidia, maybe wireless some the next hardest... |
| 22:58:00 | Zoomber | the 3d dock looked perfectly fine to me |
| 22:58:00 | Zoomber | i have some pages for getting the atheros wireless chip to work |
| 22:58:00 | Zoomber | if not, i also have a link to a 10 dollar card thats guarenteed to work, and comptaable with my netbook |
| 22:59:00 | Zoomber | by the time im done, my only setback will be not having card readers, but i dont give jack about those |
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