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| 00:06:00 | | zoomber_mbp has joined |
| 00:06:00 | zoomber_mbp | hey |
| 00:06:00 | sam686 | hi |
| 00:06:00 | zoomber_mbp | sam686: you there? |
| 00:06:00 | zoomber_mbp | come on bit fighter sam686 |
| 00:06:00 | zoomber_mbp | for a second |
| 00:06:00 | zoomber_mbp | sorry, autocorrect changes "Bitfighter" to "Bit fighter" |
| 00:09:00 | sam686 | zoomber_mbp: |
| 00:24:00 | zoomber_mbp | yes? |
| 00:24:00 | zoomber_mbp | sam686, ill be right back, downloading your client |
| 00:24:00 | zoomber_mbp | oh |
| 00:25:00 | zoomber_mbp | i don't have Xcode on this computer |
| 00:25:00 | zoomber_mbp | raptor, you here? |
| 00:26:00 | zoomber_mbp | sam686: not sure how to get client on here. If you have your windows client, try sending that to me, and i can probably run that with darwine |
| 00:26:00 | sam686 | well.. ok |
| 00:28:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit f21b8ea1fb0c | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Rename sample plugin (beware if you have key bindings pointing to it!), and move to new folder that will live in the install dir |
| 00:28:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit 8af903fa1e89 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Color name |
| 00:28:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit 6a7526a02f49 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Remove dead code |
| 00:28:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit 99c9b8546d4a | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Inform app about this new folder... lots of support required for what seems like a simple thing! |
| 00:29:00 | zoomber_mbp | is it on sam686.maxhushahn.com? |
| 00:29:00 | sam686 | version 015a or 016? 016 have a much cleaner bitfighter code.. |
| 00:30:00 | sam686 | or can you vnc your other mac computer or something? |
| 00:30:00 | zoomber_mbp | can't, its not port forwarded right now, wouldn't know how to reach it |
| 00:32:00 | sam686 | http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/bitfighter015a_modified2.zip - thats my modded file.. |
| 00:32:00 | zoomber_mbp | sam, does this error ever happen to you? http://chzragecomics.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/rage-comics-error.png |
| 00:32:00 | sam686 | without the bitfighter.ini - (it contains my password) |
| 00:33:00 | sam686 | yes, it happens to my, especially on windows 98.. |
| 00:33:00 | sam686 | but, it happens on windows xp too, then program stops responding.. |
| 00:34:00 | zoomber_mbp | oops, i downloaded that file twice |
| 00:35:00 | sam686 | i can experience that special effect by using windows paint, holding down shift and drag selection. |
| 00:36:00 | sam686 | like this: http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/repeating_effect_bitfighter_window.png |
| 00:37:00 | sam686 | that was from windows paint, holding down shift and drag selection. |
| 00:38:00 | sam686 | i will need to go eat food, i may be back in 30 minutes.. |
| 00:44:00 | zoomber_mbp | hmm |
| 00:44:00 | zoomber_mbp | ok |
| 00:44:00 | zoomber_mbp | sam686: let me know when you're back |
| 01:08:00 | sam686 | ok, i am back, zoomber_mbp |
| 01:08:00 | zoomber_mbp | kk |
| 01:08:00 | zoomber_mbp | was trying to launch bitfighte,r but not working yet |
| 01:08:00 | zoomber_mbp | ah |
| 01:09:00 | zoomber_mbp | i was trying to bottle the exe into its own standalone application |
| 01:09:00 | zoomber_mbp | i have to run it directly, so it gets the all frameworks |
| 01:18:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit 6f436ef35354 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Added error message for when plugin is missing. And this brings my plugin work nearly to a close for 016. |
| 01:18:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit e12f253603f8 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Added release note, and added sample preset to update code |
| 01:29:00 | zoomber_mbp | bit fighter 015 doesn't even launch on my computer anymore |
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| 01:47:00 | karamazovapy | is there a list of 016 features that players will notice? |
| 01:48:00 | raptor | yes -ish |
| 01:48:00 | raptor | at the top of the main.cpp file: https://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/source/browse/zap/main.cpp |
| 01:48:00 | raptor | watusimoto and sam686 (I think) have been keeping track of their additions |
| 01:49:00 | raptor | I have not... I will probably do it before the release all at once |
| 01:49:00 | raptor | in that file, search for 'Fixes after 015a' |
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| 01:50:00 | sam686 | Zoomber_mbp seem to have noticed that mac build 015a runs more then twice as slow then 015? |
| 01:50:00 | raptor | define 'slow' |
| 01:51:00 | zoomber_mbp | slow, as in when sam shoots unlimited bouncers towards a wall, mac goes to 8.5 fps while windows client goes to 120 fps |
| 01:51:00 | zoomber_mbp | both start at ~1000 fps before |
| 01:51:00 | zoomber_mbp | ill send a pic if you don't believe me |
| 01:51:00 | raptor | go mac! |
| 01:52:00 | raptor | wait, you are comparing mac vs windows? i thought it was mac vs mac, 015 vs 015a |
| 01:52:00 | zoomber_mbp | wait |
| 01:52:00 | zoomber_mbp | oh |
| 01:52:00 | sam686 | by any chance, was mac build of 015a was built without optimizations? |
| 01:52:00 | zoomber_mbp | yeah, that too |
| 01:52:00 | zoomber_mbp | i tried 3 |
| 01:52:00 | zoomber_mbp | windows.exe on mac, mac 15a, and mac 015 |
| 01:52:00 | zoomber_mbp | http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/165/screenshot20111230at520ob.png |
| 01:52:00 | raptor | Release compile will make a HUGE difference |
| 01:52:00 | zoomber_mbp | thats what i thought it was |
| 01:53:00 | zoomber_mbp | note, (as you can see) thats comparing exe to mac |
| 01:53:00 | zoomber_mbp | but 015 mac seems faster than 015a mac |
| 01:54:00 | raptor | before linesmooth? |
| 01:54:00 | zoomber_mbp | raptor: the computer i used is a dual core i7 |
| 01:54:00 | zoomber_mbp | oh |
| 01:54:00 | zoomber_mbp | ill try that |
| 01:55:00 | zoomber_mbp | wait, 015 has no linesmooth? |
| 01:55:00 | raptor | i don't remember |
| 01:55:00 | raptor | yeah 015a was linesmooth-forced |
| 01:55:00 | zoomber_mbp | no, even with /linesmooth off, it goes to 12 fps |
| 01:55:00 | zoomber_mbp | so, at least an increase |
| 01:55:00 | zoomber_mbp | but, still slow |
| 01:55:00 | zoomber_mbp | oh wait |
| 01:56:00 | zoomber_mbp | err |
| 01:56:00 | zoomber_mbp | ok |
| 01:56:00 | zoomber_mbp | that was on 015, i thought that was 015a |
| 01:56:00 | raptor | ha! |
| 01:56:00 | zoomber_mbp | wierd |
| 01:56:00 | zoomber_mbp | heres the stats |
| 01:57:00 | raptor | you can only compare them if they are both in the background |
| 01:57:00 | zoomber_mbp | 015a ~5 fps with line smooth, 10 fps without |
| 01:57:00 | zoomber_mbp | thats in the background ^ |
| 01:57:00 | zoomber_mbp | now ill quit bit fighter 015a |
| 01:57:00 | zoomber_mbp | and open 015 |
| 01:57:00 | zoomber_mbp | and try /linesmooth in 015 |
| 01:58:00 | zoomber_mbp | running in the background, i get a bottom out of 20 fps, but its usually around 50 fps |
| 01:58:00 | zoomber_mbp | averaging* |
| 01:58:00 | zoomber_mbp | it ranges from 20-80 fps, thats 015 with linesmooth |
| 01:58:00 | raptor | and the window is in the background? |
| 01:58:00 | zoomber_mbp | 12-70 fps, averaging 20 fps without linesmooth |
| 01:59:00 | zoomber_mbp | yeah, always in the background |
| 01:59:00 | zoomber_mbp | as, i type in irc while reading |
| 01:59:00 | zoomber_mbp | now, ill test with windows exe |
| 01:59:00 | zoomber_mbp | this is sam's 15a.exe with mysql i think? |
| 01:59:00 | zoomber_mbp | first line smooth on, then off |
| 02:01:00 | zoomber_mbp | ok, with line smooth never ever goes below 100 fps |
| 02:01:00 | zoomber_mbp | ok, every once in a while it hits 50 fps |
| 02:01:00 | zoomber_mbp | but it averages at 120 |
| 02:02:00 | zoomber_mbp | now without linesmooth |
| 02:02:00 | raptor | gotta go, sorry |
| 02:02:00 | zoomber_mbp | averages at 115 |
| 02:02:00 | zoomber_mbp | test done! |
| 02:02:00 | raptor | looking here: https://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/source/browse/zap/main.cpp?name=bitfighter-015a |
| 02:02:00 | raptor | and look at changes since 015 |
| 02:02:00 | zoomber_mbp | its wierd |
| 02:03:00 | raptor | maybe come CPU timing things changed? |
| 02:03:00 | raptor | one thing to test is how much cpu you are actually using for each test |
| 02:03:00 | raptor | but i have to go |
| 02:03:00 | raptor | bye |
| 02:03:00 | zoomber_mbp | yes |
| 02:03:00 | | raptor Quit (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 02:03:00 | zoomber_mbp | ok bye |
| 02:03:00 | zoomber_mbp | it would be cool to better support i7's and sma's p4's hyper threading abilities |
| 02:04:00 | zoomber_mbp | i have 400% of core power, yet, only 10% cpu being used |
| 02:05:00 | zoomber_mbp | i saw raptor force line smooth if(gIniSettings.version < 1836) |
| 02:05:00 | zoomber_mbp | 1980 gIniSettings.useLineSmoothing = true; |
| 02:05:00 | sam686 | my pentium 4 hyperthreading isn't that great.. |
| 02:05:00 | sam686 | using 1 thread, faster speed, |
| 02:05:00 | zoomber_mbp | because you can process at 3 Ghz max now? |
| 02:05:00 | sam686 | using 2 threads at the same time, both threads seems to kind of slow down, hyperthreading can somewhat slow down |
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| 02:06:00 | sam686 | when using both CPU thread at the same time |
| 02:06:00 | zoomber_mbp | i wonder if i can disable hyper threading on my macbook pro |
| 02:06:00 | sam686 | but, 2 threads is still faster then one thread, |
| 02:06:00 | sam686 | just not double the speed, more like 150% |
| 02:06:00 | zoomber_mbp | right, but how does it slow it down, doesn't it cut the cpu in half? |
| 02:07:00 | sam686 | not sure, it is something in the hyperthreading that re-use the idling parts of the CPU, instead of a whole seperate CPU |
| 02:10:00 | sam686 | though, i find that my laptop intel atom with hyperthreadins is like 180% speed with 2 threads.. |
| 02:11:00 | zoomber_mbp | so, it does split the cpu core? want to make sure i know what |
| 02:12:00 | sam686 | i still find that hyperthreading improves performance of running 2 things at once, as in one thread hosts server (or used to be), and another threads runs client.. |
| 02:12:00 | sam686 | but, hosting server from client game menu doesn't use 2 threads.. |
| 02:14:00 | sam686 | my pentium 4 have only one core, but with hyperthreading, so it kind of splits one core into 2 threads.. |
| 02:14:00 | sam686 | my intel atom is the same, one core, with hyperthreading, makes 2 threads |
| 02:15:00 | sam686 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading i will just gave you that link of you need to know more about it.. |
| 02:16:00 | zoomber_mbp | sorry sam, ill be right back in the game in a few minutes |
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| 03:11:00 | zoomber_mbp | hey sam686, you still on? |
| 03:11:00 | sam686 | ? |
| 03:12:00 | sam686 | ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 03:12:00 | zoomber_mbp | it seems my intel core i7 has 2 cores, which both multithread into 4 logical processors |
| 03:12:00 | sam686 | yes, i7 CPU may have hyperthreading for each cores, doubling the logical processors.. |
| 03:12:00 | zoomber_mbp | now, what if i somehow only enabled one of the cores to HT? |
| 03:13:00 | zoomber_mbp | leaving 2 logical, and one physical core |
| 03:13:00 | sam686 | that operating system may see3 CPUs |
| 03:13:00 | zoomber_mbp | now i can only handle 3 instead of 4 threads, but one thread can be at 2.7 ghz or however fast it is |
| 03:13:00 | zoomber_mbp | 2.8 ghz* |
| 03:14:00 | sam686 | i hope you know which is the real CPU core and which 2 is the logical CPU |
| 03:14:00 | zoomber_mbp | why would that be a concern? |
| 03:15:00 | sam686 | it may improve performance when disabling hyperthreading when you have 2 or more CPU Cores |
| 03:16:00 | zoomber_mbp | yeah, i have 2 cpu cores, but it looks like it has HT on, as i see 4 cores in activity monitor |
| 03:17:00 | zoomber_mbp | right now, for some reason, kernal_task (main system process) taking up half a cpu |
| 03:17:00 | sam686 | but, typerthreading may improve performance only when you are actually using more then 2 threads (if you already have 2 cores) |
| 03:17:00 | zoomber_mbp | 361 threads right now, but only 2 have high usage |
| 03:17:00 | zoomber_mbp | ah |
| 03:18:00 | zoomber_mbp | when i was running bit fighter, darwine was allotting 1/2 of both cpus |
| 03:18:00 | zoomber_mbp | 50 percent for one logical core, 50 for another |
| 03:18:00 | zoomber_mbp | thats why my fan was on high blow, even though i wasn't doing anything |
| 03:18:00 | zoomber_mbp | what sucks is i only have 1.33 GB ram free, yet i have 4 GB ram total |
| 03:19:00 | zoomber_mbp | could probably put windows on and boot into that |
| 03:19:00 | zoomber_mbp | which only uses what..500 MB ram? |
| 03:19:00 | zoomber_mbp | your computer had 1.5 Gb total, 900 free? |
| 03:19:00 | zoomber_mbp | by the way, just by using google, found an msi tool http://www.advancedinstaller.com/ |
| 03:19:00 | sam686 | i think hyperthreading improves performance, and makes running multiple CPU eating programs faster.. |
| 03:20:00 | zoomber_mbp | right, but what if one thread took up lots and lots of cpu? |
| 03:20:00 | sam686 | my computer can easily have 1024 MB free.. |
| 03:21:00 | zoomber_mbp | yes, so maybe i should put windows on my computer |
| 03:21:00 | sam686 | it only takes up one CPU out of how many cpu you have (if that program is single threaded) |
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| 03:47:00 | zoomber_mbp | hi |
| 03:53:00 | sam686 | hi |
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| 05:05:00 | Zoomber | watch out sam686, i see your logged onto ssh, someone is helping me fix my minecraft server |
| 05:12:00 | sam686 | ok.. |
| 05:13:00 | sam686 | no wonder where the ding was coming from, it came from ssh |
| 05:13:00 | Zoomber | ahh, you saw my "wall" message? |
| 05:13:00 | sam686 | yes |
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| 18:03:00 | zoomber_mbp | hi |
| 18:05:00 | zoomber_mbp | now i have no way of telling, one day i see Watusimoto identifying with nickserv and having @ status, and another time, raptor pretending to be watusimoto |
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| 18:18:00 | zoomber_mbp | hi sam686 |
| 18:18:00 | zoomber_mbp | come on bit fighter, we have some players today |
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| 19:03:00 | karamazovapy | hey zoomber_mbp - I don't think we need to worry about a dungeon gametype taking over the bitfighter universe |
| 19:04:00 | karamazovapy | maybe for the first month or two, out of the novelty of it |
| 19:06:00 | karamazovapy | also, "zoomber" sounds like a verb when you start filling in creative words for the acronym at the end of your name |
| 19:06:00 | karamazovapy | Zoomber My Beer Patio |
| 19:06:00 | karamazovapy | Zoomber My Buddy's Porch |
| 19:06:00 | karamazovapy | Zoomber My Big Penis |
| 19:08:00 | karamazovapy | I can only assume zoombering involves lacquer or polish of some kind |
| 19:08:00 | sam686 | that player seem to be coming from one ip address - that i ban with my modded server /banip |
| 19:09:00 | sam686 | black birdy and sam666 the **s player |
| 19:09:00 | sam686 | i wonder if that was used to be botfighter... |
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| 19:10:00 | sam686 | i seem to find it as an ip address of 108.70.xxx (i could pm you the full address) |
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| 19:30:00 | zoomber_mbp | i freaked when i read karamazovapy's irc message, because i thought it was sam686 that said it |
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| 19:31:00 | zoomber_mbp | sam686: sorry i couldn't talk to you before. My headache knows how to control me |
| 19:35:00 | sam686 | oh there is a fake _k. |
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| 19:52:00 | sam686 | "disable namechanging now!!!", "bitfighter change!!!" |
| 19:52:00 | sam686 | funny names.. |
| 19:54:00 | sam686 | "2012 time for change!!!!!!!!!!!!" |
| 19:54:00 | sam686 | more names from that user... |
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| 20:29:00 | sam686 | haha, a user (probably opening many clients) one of it is named "sam cheats with respawns!!!" (umm, no) |
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| 21:26:00 | karamazovapy | we should make it so the lobby automatically kicks idlers after 10 or 15 minutes or something |
| 21:26:00 | karamazovapy | or enable a master server kick |
| 21:26:00 | karamazovapy | so we don't have obscenities cluttering up the forums |
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| 22:22:00 | sam686 | i think i finally froze / crash all the clients from one player sitting on game lobby, by sending too many c3mJoinGloblaChat with no c2mLeaveGlobalChat, it makes the player list way too big |
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| 23:47:00 | sam686 | i will go, may be back in about 30 minutes - food |
