#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-12-03

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02:34:15 Little_Apple helloo
02:39:03 raptor hi
02:39:10 raptor Little_Apple, hi
02:39:36 Little_Apple waatcha dooooooin
02:39:59 raptor reading, bugfixing
02:40:20 Little_Apple ah
02:42:38 raptor we thought we'd releaase today - then found a lot more bugs  :(
02:42:55 Little_Apple ack.
02:43:02 Little_Apple send in the exterminator.
02:43:59 Little_Apple so hows the progress?
02:46:39 raptor question
02:46:48 raptor can you retrieve a flag on a neutral goal in 017?
02:47:18 Little_Apple in the game mode retrieve?
02:47:23 raptor y
02:47:27 Little_Apple checking
02:49:32 Little_Apple no you cant
02:49:41 raptor ok, than that is not a bug..
02:49:43 raptor yay solved one!
02:49:51 Little_Apple alright
02:50:59 Little_Apple oh CrazyLinuxNerd is on!
02:51:06 CrazyLinuxNerd oh god
02:51:08 CrazyLinuxNerd xD
02:51:15 Little_Apple I AM HERE TO BUG YOU
02:51:42 CrazyLinuxNerd hows angry birds?
02:51:54 Little_Apple taking out trash
02:52:50 Little_Apple oh raptor, when do you think the next bbb would be?
02:53:15 Little_Apple um cln footloose wants to know if you have minecraft
02:53:39 CrazyLinuxNerd no i do not
02:53:46 Little_Apple hk
02:53:49 Little_Apple k*
02:54:36 Little_Apple she wants to know if you can get it ._.
02:55:45 CrazyLinuxNerd no sorry
02:56:07 Little_Apple ok
03:09:49 BFLogBot Commit: d9cf31ec8885 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix mine radius.  This fixes premature explosion when colliding with projectiles 
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09:00:36 BFLogBot Commit: bf2442b1a419 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Comment 
09:00:37 BFLogBot Commit: de07d33dac09 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Fix promisucous spawn in soccer games 
09:00:39 BFLogBot Commit: 683f5d6cc8a6 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Unfix last night's fix that descended /idle when dead into doom and gloom.  But fix the unfix so as to also fix last night's fix that was unfixed.  Still issues to be resolved. 
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15:29:13 raptor good day@
15:31:08 raptor your latest commit message gave me a laugh..
16:06:48 watusimoto hi
16:06:52 raptor hi
16:06:53 watusimoto I try to be amusing
16:07:11 watusimoto though it complicates thigs when I try to create a list of what was done
16:07:41 raptor haha
16:07:58 raptor did you say you found more bugs in the editor, yesterday?
16:09:35 watusimoto no
16:09:51 watusimoto I did say something that could be understood as that, but its not what I meant
16:09:58 raptor ah ok
16:10:16 watusimoto I do know of one error not on the list, which is wrapped up in the stuff I was trying this morning
16:10:32 watusimoto it will be fixed in the process of fixing whatever issue I was working one
16:10:37 watusimoto so don't worry about it
16:10:50 raptor heh, ok
16:14:53 raptor alright - so energy isn't so complicated...   that last e-mail explained it better  :)
16:22:19 watusimoto yes, it was easier to write too!
16:23:52 watusimoto so on the buglist... 1 is mine, 2 we're deferring, 3 is mine, and 5 is mine
16:23:57 watusimoto that leaves... a lot of work for me!
16:24:05 watusimoto that leaves 4
16:27:27 watusimoto but my 3 tasks are relatively easy
16:27:40 watusimoto I know what the problems are, and how to fix them.  it's only a matter of doing
16:35:43 raptor getting closer!
16:39:34 raptor that 'ghost ships' item - i'm not sure how badly we want to support it, although sam686 uses it heavily in that level 'distraction curve'
16:39:51 watusimoto I'd say that answer depends somewhat on what the problem is
16:40:03 watusimoto or, more accurately, how hard it is to fix
16:40:32 raptor it looks like the ship positions are workingi n the 'y' direction, but not the 'x'
17:07:11 watusimoto odd
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18:45:17 Watusimoto ok, going to fix dinner
18:45:21 BFLogBot Commit: c6fe24df4165 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Slight verbiage change 
18:45:23 BFLogBot Commit: 37708e3af254 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Fixed all known wonkiness with idle and death and lag and such.  Try it and rejoice! 
18:45:25 raptor pl
18:45:26 Watusimoto I just checked in a fix for one fo the bugs
18:45:26 raptor ok
18:45:40 raptor wonkiness gone!
18:45:45 Watusimoto there is one new bit of wierdness I discovered, not sure what the best fix would be
18:46:14 Watusimoto if you are entering the command /idle when you get killed, and you wait until the press any key screen comes up, then press enter, you get the countdown screen.
18:46:22 Watusimoto this probably shouldn't happen, but not sure why it does.
18:46:28 Watusimoto sorry, am sure why it does
18:46:31 Watusimoto not sure what should happen
18:47:02 Watusimoto maybe idle gets disregarded, and you stay at the press any key screen (with no 5 second penalty)?
18:47:13 Watusimoto hardly criticial, but maybe something to fix while its on our minds
18:47:15 Watusimoto ok, back later
18:47:20 raptor the problem is:  you're forced to wait 5 seconds *afterwards* regardless of the time spent in /idle?
18:47:39 raptor no, that is normal, right?
18:47:44 raptor ok back later
18:48:43 Watusimoto it's normal in one sense, but makes no sense.  the idle command is illogical if you are already idle
18:48:53 Watusimoto ok, discuss amongst yourselves
18:49:06 raptor raptor: what do you think?
18:49:11 raptor raptor: i'm not sure yet...
19:10:58 raptor raptor:  in one sense, it seems like it'd be annoying to have to wait an additional 5 secs after a 5 min. munchie-acquistion break
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20:25:00 BFLogBot Commit: fbc2a2f0f436 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix ghost ships not loading properly 
20:25:08 raptor bug down
21:11:52 Watusimoto maybe every minute your away the rejoin timer decreases by a second
21:16:38 Watusimoto I'm getting very frustrated over the gci situation
21:17:03 Watusimoto arc asked me to fill in a mentor profile, but no one can tell me where I can do this
21:17:29 Watusimoto I've posted a question twice on the google groups forum, but my messages aern't showing up
21:17:36 raptor boo
21:17:46 Watusimoto gci 2012 mentor prfoile brings back no relevant hits in google
21:17:57 Watusimoto searching gci brings back nothing
21:18:22 Watusimoto the irc channel where I was told to get the info has no activity and no one is answering my queries
21:18:32 raptor what is the channel?
21:18:37 Watusimoto #melange
21:18:43 Watusimoto there's tons of people in there
21:19:31 Watusimoto the other games in the copyleft groups have tons of students
21:19:42 Watusimoto and they seem to be quite capable
21:19:52 raptor oh good
21:20:28 Watusimoto and my latest hope is that some will tell their friends and we'll get some new players
21:20:36 raptor nothing from the links in the channel topic?
21:20:40 Watusimoto as gci is the perfect demographic
21:21:09 Watusimoto the first link takes you to the gci home page
21:21:17 Watusimoto which has no links of use that I could find
21:21:34 Watusimoto even though you'd think there'd be a "for sponsors" section or whatever
21:21:45 Watusimoto faq?  useless
21:22:10 raptor prfile info?:  http://www.google-melange.com/gci/profile/mentor/google/gci2012
21:22:13 Watusimoto Rules? nothing
21:22:15 raptor brb
21:22:22 raptor (i scanned the logs)
21:22:33 Watusimoto !!!
21:28:13 raptor :)
21:28:16 raptor so yes?
21:29:11 Watusimoto yes
21:29:18 Watusimoto I should have asked you first
21:29:21 Watusimoto :-)
21:29:33 Watusimoto anyway, if you could fill out that form, that would be helpful
21:29:47 Watusimoto lots of personal information, but they do as for a t-shirt size
21:32:20 raptor oooo
21:32:34 raptor but if i'm gone for two weeks, am i still eligible?
21:33:54 Watusimoto I hope so
21:34:05 Watusimoto because if you're not we need a second mentor
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21:34:24 raptor the male/female/other selection always disturbs me slightly...
21:34:48 Watusimoto I've always assumed you were male, but I'm not asking, especially if the answer would disturb me
21:34:57 Watusimoto :-)
21:35:03 raptor I am a father of 2
21:35:13 raptor to remove any doubt
21:35:15 Watusimoto that's what I say too!
21:35:35 Watusimoto you're a chat line on the internet.  there;s always doubt
21:35:41 raptor haha
21:35:52 Watusimoto hell, you could be a very smart dog
21:35:58 Watusimoto there's really no way to be sure
21:36:11 raptor turing complete chatbot!
21:36:28 Watusimoto it's possible
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21:36:58 Watusimoto sam686: are you around?
21:37:08 raptor dare i press submit?
21:37:28 Watusimoto I'm going to ask sam if he wants to do this too
21:38:14 raptor what is the US intl number?
21:38:17 Watusimoto go for it.  I'll probably dial the projects way back while you are out of town
21:38:18 Watusimoto 1
21:38:24 Watusimoto it pays to be first
21:38:28 raptor haha
21:39:14 raptor 011?
21:39:44 Watusimoto +001
21:39:53 Watusimoto that's what I dial from here
21:40:11 Watusimoto 1 is our country code
21:40:20 raptor ok, i'm signed up
21:40:22 raptor as 'raptor'
21:40:27 Watusimoto I'm watusimoto
21:40:34 Watusimoto if that doesn;t shock you too much
21:40:40 Watusimoto ok, I'll tell arc
21:41:23 Watusimoto let me try to get another task tackled
21:43:17 raptor shocker!
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22:04:01 raptor and what does melange mean anyways?
22:05:03 koda good question
22:05:10 koda and hi
22:05:11 raptor oh hi koda
22:05:21 raptor well, i guess i'm a mentor
22:05:29 koda congrats raptor
22:05:33 raptor mentalor
22:05:35 koda you just won a google tshirt ;)
22:05:41 raptor ha!
22:06:29 Watusimoto I think it's some sort of disease dogs get
22:06:50 koda Watusimoto: i take your task was published!
22:07:01 Watusimoto it was??
22:07:22 Watusimoto where di you see that?
22:07:39 koda oh nowhere
22:07:42 raptor i think he was deducing it from our melange talk..
22:07:50 koda i thought the argument was caused by that
22:07:53 Watusimoto oh... no not yet, as far as I know
22:08:06 Watusimoto but we did get signed up as mentors
22:08:26 Watusimoto arc is really busy with his students and I think our project is a low priority
22:09:00 raptor i'm trying to request to be a mentor for 'bitfighter'
22:09:06 raptor but no bitfighter
22:09:29 Watusimoto I check http://gci.copyleftgames.org/ from time to time... still no Bitfighter... but we should be up there at the top of the list!
22:11:52 BFLogBot Commit: ab05816089ad | Author: watusimoto | Message: Whitespace 
22:11:53 BFLogBot Commit: 7696a8fb5c60 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Merge 
22:11:55 BFLogBot Commit: 6a0d32fc4bbc | Author: watusimoto | Message: Not really too much of an improvement but... if you enter /idle while already delayed you no longer need to sit through the 5 second countdown before you are immediately returned to the game.  Not returning to the game will require a bit more work, or a very hacky hack. 
22:11:56 BFLogBot Commit: 5b8b0a086d44 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Perpare the road for /idle to not undelay an already delayed spawn.  All that's left is to hook up the last 100 yards of code...  which I'm not going to do just yet. 
22:17:03 Watusimoto ok, I need some help figuring out what to do here
22:17:09 Watusimoto placing spybug
22:17:35 raptor it's the primary active part of sensor module now...
22:17:45 raptor maybe it shoudl cost more..
22:17:47 Watusimoto we currently dedeuct energy on client and server independently; but the server actually creates the projectile
22:17:56 raptor yes
22:18:12 Watusimoto so usually not a problem -- client won;t request sb unless there is sufficient energy
22:18:25 Watusimoto and there are no other reasons for server to reject
22:18:35 Watusimoto so if cient thinks bug can be placed, it can be
22:18:43 Watusimoto let me restate that:
22:18:45 Watusimoto it can be *
22:18:57 Watusimoto * usually
22:19:08 Watusimoto remember my long email this morning
22:19:25 Watusimoto one of the caveats I placed on everything working was that lag was not variable
22:19:49 Watusimoto if lag *is* variable, it is possible that the client could think there was sufficient energy for sb when server did not
22:20:18 Watusimoto if, say, client was 500ms ahead of server in energy regen, (i.e. lag was 500ms) this would normally be ok
22:20:32 Watusimoto by the time the sb place command was at the server, the server would show enough energy to place it
22:20:49 Watusimoto unless due to variable lag, the sb place command was only delayed 400ms
22:21:03 Watusimoto then the server might be 100ms short of energy
22:21:10 Watusimoto does that scenario make sense?
22:23:09 Watusimoto the above assumes client placed sb the instant it thought it had enough energy to do so
22:25:29 raptor hmmm
22:25:30 raptor so
22:26:06 raptor i don't know...   we don't care above 150 lag right?  :)
22:26:41 raptor haha, someone playing is 'ChampChanged'
22:29:31 Watusimoto ha!
22:29:48 Watusimoto right, but the 500mis is just an example; holds true with 150ms
22:30:21 Watusimoto the idea is that if lag is variable it is possible for client to think it has enough energy for spybug, but for server to deny
22:30:42 Watusimoto this is a problem if energy is deducted immediately on the client, as it is
22:30:46 raptor then everything stays out of sync
22:31:08 Watusimoto well we need to credit the energy back to the client somehow
22:31:12 Watusimoto I see two mechanisms
22:31:16 raptor until maximum or minumum energy is hit on both sides...
22:31:27 raptor back to server-update client energy?
22:31:51 Watusimoto 1) have a s2cYouThoughtYouCouldPlaceSpyBugButYouCant method
22:31:58 raptor haha
22:32:22 Watusimoto or 2) have client spybug trigger a c2sPlaceSpybug, followed by a s2cYouThoughtYouCouldPlaceSpyBugButYouCant if its rejected
22:32:46 Watusimoto 2 is easy and clear
22:33:22 Watusimoto 1 will require some trickery as if you try to place spybug with 0 energy, that attempt gets sent to server even though client knows you can;t do it
22:33:35 Watusimoto so you don;t want to credit energy back in that case
22:33:49 raptor i think the less trickery the better...
22:37:38 raptor i'm beginning to think we need some sort of precompile logic that does:  WARNING: your code is playing with energy - be sure to keep client and server in sync
22:37:59 Watusimoto we would need so many classes of such warnings!
22:38:08 raptor yes
22:38:30 raptor the beginnings of a test-suite-avoidance-suite
22:40:08 Watusimoto ha
22:40:24 Watusimoto maybe just electric shocks to the programmer's fingertips
22:40:35 Watusimoto just a friendly warning
22:49:14 Watusimoto less tricky is better.  more clear is better.  better is better.
22:58:17 raptor ok, gotta go - i'll be back in about 1.5 hours
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23:10:15 Watusimoto later
23:56:17 BFLogBot Commit: bd1b0f1d5840 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Spybug firing now done via c2s 
23:56:18 BFLogBot Commit: 81cdcef478ff | Author: watusimoto | Message: Energy will be recredited to client if spybug isn't placed for some reason.  This is probably complete overkill, as I just realized we have exactly the same problem with weapons, though mines are probably the only one where it really matters because of the high energy cost.  In any event, I made the recreditEnergy method somewhat generic so we could use that same s2c if we wanted to add the same energy safeguards to mines as we did to spybugs.  In any case... it's done. 
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02:09:43		koda Quit (Quit: koda)
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02:34:15	Little_Apple	helloo
02:39:03	raptor	hi
02:39:10	raptor	Little_Apple, hi
02:39:36	Little_Apple	waatcha dooooooin
02:39:59	raptor	reading, bugfixing
02:40:20	Little_Apple	ah
02:42:38	raptor	we thought we'd releaase today - then found a lot more bugs :(
02:42:55	Little_Apple	ack.
02:43:02	Little_Apple	send in the exterminator.
02:43:59	Little_Apple	so hows the progress?
02:46:39	raptor	question
02:46:48	raptor	can you retrieve a flag on a neutral goal in 017?
02:47:18	Little_Apple	in the game mode retrieve?
02:47:23	raptor	y
02:47:27	Little_Apple	checking
02:49:32	Little_Apple	no you cant
02:49:41	raptor	ok, than that is not a bug..
02:49:43	raptor	yay solved one!
02:49:51	Little_Apple	alright
02:50:59	Little_Apple	oh CrazyLinuxNerd is on!
02:51:06	CrazyLinuxNerd	oh god
02:51:08	CrazyLinuxNerd	xD
02:51:15	Little_Apple	I AM HERE TO BUG YOU
02:51:42	CrazyLinuxNerd	hows angry birds?
02:51:54	Little_Apple	taking out trash
02:52:50	Little_Apple	oh raptor, when do you think the next bbb would be?
02:53:15	Little_Apple	um cln footloose wants to know if you have minecraft
02:53:39	CrazyLinuxNerd	no i do not
02:53:46	Little_Apple	hk
02:53:49	Little_Apple	k*
02:54:36	Little_Apple	she wants to know if you can get it ._.
02:55:45	CrazyLinuxNerd	no sorry
02:56:07	Little_Apple	ok
03:09:49		BFLogBot Commit: d9cf31ec8885 \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Fix mine radius. This fixes premature explosion when colliding with projectiles
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09:00:36		BFLogBot Commit: bf2442b1a419 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Comment
09:00:37		BFLogBot Commit: de07d33dac09 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Fix promisucous spawn in soccer games
09:00:39		BFLogBot Commit: 683f5d6cc8a6 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Unfix last night's fix that descended /idle when dead into doom and gloom. But fix the unfix so as to also fix last night's fix that was unfixed. Still issues to be resolved.
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15:29:13	raptor	good day@
15:31:08	raptor	your latest commit message gave me a laugh..
16:06:48	watusimoto	hi
16:06:52	raptor	hi
16:06:53	watusimoto	I try to be amusing
16:07:11	watusimoto	though it complicates thigs when I try to create a list of what was done
16:07:41	raptor	haha
16:07:58	raptor	did you say you found more bugs in the editor, yesterday?
16:09:35	watusimoto	no
16:09:51	watusimoto	I did say something that could be understood as that, but its not what I meant
16:09:58	raptor	ah ok
16:10:16	watusimoto	I do know of one error not on the list, which is wrapped up in the stuff I was trying this morning
16:10:32	watusimoto	it will be fixed in the process of fixing whatever issue I was working one
16:10:37	watusimoto	so don't worry about it
16:10:50	raptor	heh, ok
16:14:53	raptor	alright - so energy isn't so complicated... that last e-mail explained it better :)
16:22:19	watusimoto	yes, it was easier to write too!
16:23:52	watusimoto	so on the buglist... 1 is mine, 2 we're deferring, 3 is mine, and 5 is mine
16:23:57	watusimoto	that leaves... a lot of work for me!
16:24:05	watusimoto	that leaves 4
16:27:27	watusimoto	but my 3 tasks are relatively easy
16:27:40	watusimoto	I know what the problems are, and how to fix them. it's only a matter of doing
16:35:43	raptor	getting closer!
16:39:34	raptor	that 'ghost ships' item - i'm not sure how badly we want to support it, although sam686 uses it heavily in that level 'distraction curve'
16:39:51	watusimoto	I'd say that answer depends somewhat on what the problem is
16:40:03	watusimoto	or, more accurately, how hard it is to fix
16:40:32	raptor	it looks like the ship positions are workingi n the 'y' direction, but not the 'x'
17:07:11	watusimoto	odd
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18:45:17	Watusimoto	ok, going to fix dinner
18:45:21		BFLogBot Commit: c6fe24df4165 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Slight verbiage change
18:45:23		BFLogBot Commit: 37708e3af254 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Fixed all known wonkiness with idle and death and lag and such. Try it and rejoice!
18:45:25	raptor	pl
18:45:26	Watusimoto	I just checked in a fix for one fo the bugs
18:45:26	raptor	ok
18:45:40	raptor	wonkiness gone!
18:45:45	Watusimoto	there is one new bit of wierdness I discovered, not sure what the best fix would be
18:46:14	Watusimoto	if you are entering the command /idle when you get killed, and you wait until the press any key screen comes up, then press enter, you get the countdown screen.
18:46:22	Watusimoto	this probably shouldn't happen, but not sure why it does.
18:46:28	Watusimoto	sorry, am sure why it does
18:46:31	Watusimoto	not sure what should happen
18:47:02	Watusimoto	maybe idle gets disregarded, and you stay at the press any key screen (with no 5 second penalty)?
18:47:13	Watusimoto	hardly criticial, but maybe something to fix while its on our minds
18:47:15	Watusimoto	ok, back later
18:47:20	raptor	the problem is: you're forced to wait 5 seconds afterwards regardless of the time spent in /idle?
18:47:39	raptor	no, that is normal, right?
18:47:44	raptor	ok back later
18:48:43	Watusimoto	it's normal in one sense, but makes no sense. the idle command is illogical if you are already idle
18:48:53	Watusimoto	ok, discuss amongst yourselves
18:49:06	raptor	raptor: what do you think?
18:49:11	raptor	raptor: i'm not sure yet...
19:10:58	raptor	raptor: in one sense, it seems like it'd be annoying to have to wait an additional 5 secs after a 5 min. munchie-acquistion break
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20:25:08	raptor	bug down
21:11:52	Watusimoto	maybe every minute your away the rejoin timer decreases by a second
21:16:38	Watusimoto	I'm getting very frustrated over the gci situation
21:17:03	Watusimoto	arc asked me to fill in a mentor profile, but no one can tell me where I can do this
21:17:29	Watusimoto	I've posted a question twice on the google groups forum, but my messages aern't showing up
21:17:36	raptor	boo
21:17:46	Watusimoto	gci 2012 mentor prfoile brings back no relevant hits in google
21:17:57	Watusimoto	searching gci brings back nothing
21:18:22	Watusimoto	the irc channel where I was told to get the info has no activity and no one is answering my queries
21:18:32	raptor	what is the channel?
21:18:37	Watusimoto	#melange
21:18:43	Watusimoto	there's tons of people in there
21:19:31	Watusimoto	the other games in the copyleft groups have tons of students
21:19:42	Watusimoto	and they seem to be quite capable
21:19:52	raptor	oh good
21:20:28	Watusimoto	and my latest hope is that some will tell their friends and we'll get some new players
21:20:36	raptor	nothing from the links in the channel topic?
21:20:40	Watusimoto	as gci is the perfect demographic
21:21:09	Watusimoto	the first link takes you to the gci home page
21:21:17	Watusimoto	which has no links of use that I could find
21:21:34	Watusimoto	even though you'd think there'd be a "for sponsors" section or whatever
21:21:45	Watusimoto	faq? useless
21:22:10	raptor	prfile info?: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/profile/mentor/google/gci2012
21:22:13	Watusimoto	Rules? nothing
21:22:15	raptor	brb
21:22:22	raptor	(i scanned the logs)
21:22:33	Watusimoto	!!!
21:28:13	raptor	:)
21:28:16	raptor	so yes?
21:29:11	Watusimoto	yes
21:29:18	Watusimoto	I should have asked you first
21:29:21	Watusimoto	:-)
21:29:33	Watusimoto	anyway, if you could fill out that form, that would be helpful
21:29:47	Watusimoto	lots of personal information, but they do as for a t-shirt size
21:32:20	raptor	oooo
21:32:34	raptor	but if i'm gone for two weeks, am i still eligible?
21:33:54	Watusimoto	I hope so
21:34:05	Watusimoto	because if you're not we need a second mentor
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21:34:24	raptor	the male/female/other selection always disturbs me slightly...
21:34:48	Watusimoto	I've always assumed you were male, but I'm not asking, especially if the answer would disturb me
21:34:57	Watusimoto	:-)
21:35:03	raptor	I am a father of 2
21:35:13	raptor	to remove any doubt
21:35:15	Watusimoto	that's what I say too!
21:35:35	Watusimoto	you're a chat line on the internet. there;s always doubt
21:35:41	raptor	haha
21:35:52	Watusimoto	hell, you could be a very smart dog
21:35:58	Watusimoto	there's really no way to be sure
21:36:11	raptor	turing complete chatbot!
21:36:28	Watusimoto	it's possible
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21:36:58	Watusimoto	sam686: are you around?
21:37:08	raptor	dare i press submit?
21:37:28	Watusimoto	I'm going to ask sam if he wants to do this too
21:38:14	raptor	what is the US intl number?
21:38:17	Watusimoto	go for it. I'll probably dial the projects way back while you are out of town
21:38:18	Watusimoto	1
21:38:24	Watusimoto	it pays to be first
21:38:28	raptor	haha
21:39:14	raptor	011?
21:39:44	Watusimoto	+001
21:39:53	Watusimoto	that's what I dial from here
21:40:11	Watusimoto	1 is our country code
21:40:20	raptor	ok, i'm signed up
21:40:22	raptor	as 'raptor'
21:40:27	Watusimoto	I'm watusimoto
21:40:34	Watusimoto	if that doesn;t shock you too much
21:40:40	Watusimoto	ok, I'll tell arc
21:41:23	Watusimoto	let me try to get another task tackled
21:43:17	raptor	shocker!
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22:04:01	raptor	and what does melange mean anyways?
22:05:03	koda	good question
22:05:10	koda	and hi
22:05:11	raptor	oh hi koda
22:05:21	raptor	well, i guess i'm a mentor
22:05:29	koda	congrats raptor
22:05:33	raptor	mentalor
22:05:35	koda	you just won a google tshirt ;)
22:05:41	raptor	ha!
22:06:29	Watusimoto	I think it's some sort of disease dogs get
22:06:50	koda	Watusimoto: i take your task was published!
22:07:01	Watusimoto	it was??
22:07:22	Watusimoto	where di you see that?
22:07:39	koda	oh nowhere
22:07:42	raptor	i think he was deducing it from our melange talk..
22:07:50	koda	i thought the argument was caused by that
22:07:53	Watusimoto	oh... no not yet, as far as I know
22:08:06	Watusimoto	but we did get signed up as mentors
22:08:26	Watusimoto	arc is really busy with his students and I think our project is a low priority
22:09:00	raptor	i'm trying to request to be a mentor for 'bitfighter'
22:09:06	raptor	but no bitfighter
22:09:29	Watusimoto	I check http://gci.copyleftgames.org/ from time to time... still no Bitfighter... but we should be up there at the top of the list!
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22:11:55		BFLogBot Commit: 6a0d32fc4bbc \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Not really too much of an improvement but... if you enter /idle while already delayed you no longer need to sit through the 5 second countdown before you are immediately returned to the game. Not returning to the game will require a bit more work, or a very hacky hack.
22:11:56		BFLogBot Commit: 5b8b0a086d44 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Perpare the road for /idle to not undelay an already delayed spawn. All that's left is to hook up the last 100 yards of code... which I'm not going to do just yet.
22:17:03	Watusimoto	ok, I need some help figuring out what to do here
22:17:09	Watusimoto	placing spybug
22:17:35	raptor	it's the primary active part of sensor module now...
22:17:45	raptor	maybe it shoudl cost more..
22:17:47	Watusimoto	we currently dedeuct energy on client and server independently; but the server actually creates the projectile
22:17:56	raptor	yes
22:18:12	Watusimoto	so usually not a problem -- client won;t request sb unless there is sufficient energy
22:18:25	Watusimoto	and there are no other reasons for server to reject
22:18:35	Watusimoto	so if cient thinks bug can be placed, it can be
22:18:43	Watusimoto	let me restate that:
22:18:45	Watusimoto	it can be *
22:18:57	Watusimoto	* usually
22:19:08	Watusimoto	remember my long email this morning
22:19:25	Watusimoto	one of the caveats I placed on everything working was that lag was not variable
22:19:49	Watusimoto	if lag is variable, it is possible that the client could think there was sufficient energy for sb when server did not
22:20:18	Watusimoto	if, say, client was 500ms ahead of server in energy regen, (i.e. lag was 500ms) this would normally be ok
22:20:32	Watusimoto	by the time the sb place command was at the server, the server would show enough energy to place it
22:20:49	Watusimoto	unless due to variable lag, the sb place command was only delayed 400ms
22:21:03	Watusimoto	then the server might be 100ms short of energy
22:21:10	Watusimoto	does that scenario make sense?
22:23:09	Watusimoto	the above assumes client placed sb the instant it thought it had enough energy to do so
22:25:29	raptor	hmmm
22:25:30	raptor	so
22:26:06	raptor	i don't know... we don't care above 150 lag right? :)
22:26:41	raptor	haha, someone playing is 'ChampChanged'
22:29:31	Watusimoto	ha!
22:29:48	Watusimoto	right, but the 500mis is just an example; holds true with 150ms
22:30:21	Watusimoto	the idea is that if lag is variable it is possible for client to think it has enough energy for spybug, but for server to deny
22:30:42	Watusimoto	this is a problem if energy is deducted immediately on the client, as it is
22:30:46	raptor	then everything stays out of sync
22:31:08	Watusimoto	well we need to credit the energy back to the client somehow
22:31:12	Watusimoto	I see two mechanisms
22:31:16	raptor	until maximum or minumum energy is hit on both sides...
22:31:27	raptor	back to server-update client energy?
22:31:51	Watusimoto	1) have a s2cYouThoughtYouCouldPlaceSpyBugButYouCant method
22:31:58	raptor	haha
22:32:22	Watusimoto	or 2) have client spybug trigger a c2sPlaceSpybug, followed by a s2cYouThoughtYouCouldPlaceSpyBugButYouCant if its rejected
22:32:46	Watusimoto	2 is easy and clear
22:33:22	Watusimoto	1 will require some trickery as if you try to place spybug with 0 energy, that attempt gets sent to server even though client knows you can;t do it
22:33:35	Watusimoto	so you don;t want to credit energy back in that case
22:33:49	raptor	i think the less trickery the better...
22:37:38	raptor	i'm beginning to think we need some sort of precompile logic that does: WARNING: your code is playing with energy - be sure to keep client and server in sync
22:37:59	Watusimoto	we would need so many classes of such warnings!
22:38:08	raptor	yes
22:38:30	raptor	the beginnings of a test-suite-avoidance-suite
22:40:08	Watusimoto	ha
22:40:24	Watusimoto	maybe just electric shocks to the programmer's fingertips
22:40:35	Watusimoto	just a friendly warning
22:49:14	Watusimoto	less tricky is better. more clear is better. better is better.
22:58:17	raptor	ok, gotta go - i'll be back in about 1.5 hours
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23:10:15	Watusimoto	later
23:56:17		BFLogBot Commit: bd1b0f1d5840 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Spybug firing now done via c2s
23:56:18		BFLogBot Commit: 81cdcef478ff \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Energy will be recredited to client if spybug isn't placed for some reason. This is probably complete overkill, as I just realized we have exactly the same problem with weapons, though mines are probably the only one where it really matters because of the high energy cost. In any event, I made the recreditEnergy method somewhat generic so we could use that same s2c if we wanted to add the same energy safeguards to mines as we did to spybugs. In any case... it's done.
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