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| 11:57:55 | amgine123 | hi |
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| 14:23:48 | raptor | good day! |
| 14:26:46 | Nothing_Much | Good afternoon |
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| 15:05:38 | watusimoto1 | howdy |
| 15:05:43 | raptor | hello |
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| 15:05:49 | watusimoto | How's school? |
| 15:05:59 | raptor | too much trig + integrals |
| 15:06:00 | watusimoto | now matrix-math free? |
| 15:06:14 | watusimoto | integrals are fun! |
| 15:06:17 | raptor | my diff eq. class is more about 'intuition' |
| 15:06:40 | watusimoto | the mecahnics of integral computation have been utterly suplanted by wolfram alpha |
| 15:06:51 | raptor | did you have to take a class like 'differential equations' for your degree? |
| 15:07:02 | watusimoto | the intution is probably quite valuable, much more than the actual computations |
| 15:07:09 | raptor | (undergrad... civic engineering?) |
| 15:07:09 | watusimoto | yes, of course |
| 15:07:24 | raptor | ok, that makes sense |
| 15:07:40 | watusimoto | the first two years of my degree were general to most engineering programs |
| 15:08:06 | watusimoto | I even did some dynamics, which, in civil engineering, usually only happens when your structure is collapsing |
| 15:08:12 | watusimoto | otherwise, things are supposed to be static |
| 15:08:59 | watusimoto | but even in environmental engineering, things like mixing involve calculus |
| 15:09:43 | watusimoto | although we'd do the calculus, then learn the rule of thumb/approximation that let you ignore the real calculation |
| 15:09:53 | raptor | ha |
| 15:10:33 | raptor | i'm learning how to compute 'curvature' in my Calc 3 class; however, the teacher is a pure-math grad student and couldn't really tell me how curvature would be useful in the real world |
| 15:10:49 | watusimoto | well... |
| 15:10:57 | watusimoto | resistors are curved, as are capactitors |
| 15:11:09 | raptor | haha |
| 15:11:17 | watusimoto | ma |
| 15:11:23 | watusimoto | maybe he doesn't know about those |
| 15:11:31 | watusimoto | being a math guy and all |
| 15:12:16 | raptor | curvature being the change in a tangent vector divided by the change in arc-length |
| 15:12:32 | raptor | he was wearing round glasses... |
| 15:12:47 | watusimoto | all when the legnths approach 0 ? |
| 15:12:59 | watusimoto | yes... glasses. |
| 15:13:03 | watusimoto | that's probably it |
| 15:13:35 | raptor | dT/ds where s = arc-length |
| 15:13:56 | raptor | measurement of how curvy something is... apparently |
| 15:14:08 | raptor | at any point on the curve |
| 15:14:39 | watusimoto | you probably multiply that by i and it becomes the resisitivity as voltage oscillates |
| 15:15:05 | watusimoto | or, more likely, completely useless |
| 15:15:33 | raptor | yeah, well, i was sincerely curious and was meet with a less-than-satifactory answer |
| 15:22:13 | sam686 | http://bitfighter.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2015-06-28 there may be a new bug, mostly for first time bitfighter run (or no bitfighter.ini) and quick chat fails. |
| 15:26:23 | raptor | does that only happen if using quick-chat on first run? |
| 15:26:29 | sam686 | yes |
| 15:26:39 | raptor | i mean, quick chat works if you exit and re-enter, correct? |
| 15:26:45 | sam686 | yes, |
| 15:26:59 | raptor | hmmm... that stinks |
| 15:27:03 | watusimoto | hi sam686... probably quick chat needs to eb processed later in the initialization? |
| 15:27:42 | sam686 | i think it tries to read empty quick chat, then makes a full, default bitfighter.ini |
| 15:28:28 | sam686 | only happens if there is no bitfighter.ini, which is missing for first run bitfighter |
| 15:29:27 | watusimoto | https://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/detail?id=516 |
| 15:29:50 | watusimoto | should be easy to fix, also is unlikely to affect many people |
| 15:33:51 | raptor | i vaguely remember we were once in the middle of a Settings refactor |
| 15:36:19 | watusimoto | we are/were, but this shouldn't be affected one way or the other |
| 15:36:34 | watusimoto | it's probably an order-of-initialization type thing |
| 15:36:52 | watusimoto | I'll bet the same probelm affected 018 |
| 15:37:39 | raptor | that seems so long ago... |
| 15:41:08 | watusimoto | it was :-) |
| 15:46:43 | raptor | i made a change to the SoundSystem over the weekend that maybe you saw - if a file fails to play, just move on to the next song. before, if a file failed, then it would just kill the music from then onward |
| 15:48:34 | raptor | i ohpe that was ok - the issue may pop up more frequently if we allow people to drop in mp3s (with the DLL in the right place) |
| 15:49:21 | raptor | I have also precompiled libmpg123 as drop in libraries for win32, win64, and OSX (ppc, i386, x86_64) when the time comes :) |
| 15:56:42 | sam686 | 212 errors http://sam6.25u.com/upload/text1506/150629_14-55-27.txt |
| 15:56:55 | sam686 | codec_mpg123.cpp error, is typeof missing? |
| 15:57:12 | raptor | clean! |
| 15:57:25 | raptor | i tested everything with vc++ 2010 on windows xp |
| 15:57:47 | sam686 | doesn't work, and thats on visual C++ 2008 |
| 15:57:49 | raptor | i'd probably remove the CMake generated files, and re-run CMake |
| 15:58:12 | raptor | if you look at mpg123.h in alure/ directory, there is a section with some added definitions for windows |
| 15:58:28 | raptor | maybe it isn't including them for 2008... |
| 15:59:08 | sam686 | which line or which define might be the problem? |
| 15:59:13 | sam686 | i see no typeof there |
| 15:59:26 | raptor | the stuff under line 21 |
| 15:59:54 | sam686 | theres line 21 and line 29 being included |
| 16:01:14 | raptor | oh wait... is the typeof() modifier completely missing in the c++ version in 2008??? |
| 16:01:29 | sam686 | easy way to test that? |
| 16:01:55 | raptor | not sure... |
| 16:03:22 | raptor | maybe a #define typeof(x) is needed for older visual studio |
| 16:04:46 | sam686 | is this how it suppose to work? http://sam6.25u.com/upload/text1506/150629_15-04-31.txt |
| 16:04:54 | sam686 | of course it fails on visual c++ 2008 |
| 16:05:29 | raptor | works in linux |
| 16:06:31 | raptor | there's a huge boost header for BOOST_TYPEOF |
| 16:06:37 | raptor | we don't use it though |
| 16:07:20 | raptor | maybe decltype(x) for windows? |
| 16:08:23 | raptor | maybe typeid()? |
| 16:08:39 | raptor | argh, i have to do homework... i'll be back a bit later |
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| 16:08:52 | sam686 | i might come up with something maybe soon |
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| 19:29:06 | watusimoto | I just love meetings!! |
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