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IRC Log for 2015-08-05

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10:40:27DiannaAgronwhy is bitfighter so unpopular


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12:19:51DiannaAgronwatusimoto_


12:19:56DiannaAgronwhy is bitfighter so dead


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13:06:31watusimotohi DiannaAgron


13:06:42watusimotowhy is bitfighrer so dead?


13:06:55watusimotodo I know you by another nick?


13:07:35DiannaAgroni'm blazeth


13:07:36DiannaAgronprobably not


13:07:40DiannaAgronI just now started playing though


13:07:51watusimotogreat


13:07:52DiannaAgronseems like it should be more popular for how much work was put into some things


13:07:59watusimotoI happen to agree


13:08:02DiannaAgronis it old


13:08:09watusimotohere's the problem, I think


13:08:25watusimoto1) Bitfighter is only really fun with mulitiple players


13:08:37watusimoto2) Lots of people do try the game (I know from the server logs)


13:08:44watusimoto3) But they all try at different times


13:08:53watusimoto4) So they end up trying it alone


13:09:05watusimoto5) It's kind of lame single player


13:09:14watusimotoso... 6) We have a lack of players


13:09:28watusimotoHow did you find the game?


13:09:37DiannaAgronoh


13:09:39DiannaAgronamgine


13:09:42DiannaAgronyes I know he's immature lol


13:09:47DiannaAgronI know him from another site


13:12:51DiannaAgronI bet Bitfighter would be more popular if it were web-based


13:12:55DiannaAgronI doubt that's possible though


13:31:58DiannaAgronwatusimoto_ are you still here?


13:36:59DiannaAgronsheepluva darrel


13:37:05DiannaAgroncan someone tell me how the maps are made


13:40:45sheepluvaI don't know.


13:40:50DiannaAgrono


13:41:24sheepluvaI'm don't know much about bitfighter other than that it's a well made game by nice people :)


13:41:35DiannaAgronoh cool


13:41:35DiannaAgronlol


13:41:43DiannaAgronI make maps in a much more popular game


13:42:02DiannaAgronwas just wondering how I could here, that map place looked a lot like one in the other game, pedias or whatever


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14:02:46raptorgood day!


14:02:57DiannaAgronhi raptor


14:03:05DiannaAgrondo you know where you can make maps for this game


14:03:16raptorhi


14:03:20raptorfor bitfighter!


14:03:22raptor?


14:03:26DiannaAgronyes


14:03:38raptorthere is a built-in level editor in the game itself


14:03:42DiannaAgrono


14:03:45raptorit's one of our best features :)


14:04:03DiannaAgronoh


14:04:08DiannaAgronseems a little overly complex


14:04:34raptorit's fairly simple to begin with


14:04:40DiannaAgronoh


14:04:44DiannaAgrondo I just type in ctf?


14:04:45raptoryou can press F1 in the editor to look at the instructions


14:05:04watusimotohi again DiannaAgron


14:05:10raptoronce you're in, press ESC and you select 'level parameters'


14:05:12watusimotoBitfighter cannot be made web-based, sadly


14:05:29watusimotoit is possibly possible to make it work with Chrome, but no other browser


14:05:30raptorwatusimoto: it probably can!


14:05:38watusimotoit wouldn't be worth the effort for that


14:05:43watusimotoand hi raptor


14:05:45raptorhi


14:05:57raptori think emscripten is fully functional now with web-sockets, etc.


14:06:10raptorwe just need to do the work...  unless, you know something i don't?


14:06:29DiannaAgronwell


14:06:39watusimotoraptor: wait... what?


14:06:41DiannaAgronif you have money getting a fancier forum and stuff on your website would make it more appealing


14:06:48raptorwatusimoto: yes, yep?


14:06:51watusimotoI forgot about emscripten!


14:07:05raptorit was also ported to SDL2 (emscripten)


14:07:18watusimotoDiannaAgron: money is not our limiatation... it is time/effort


14:07:39DiannaAgronoh


14:07:56watusimoto(I was thinking about NaCl, which I think we've largely abandoned)


14:08:09raptoryeah, JS took over


14:08:17raptorwith it's derivatives like asm.js


14:08:20watusimotoyes


14:08:31DiannaAgronhow did you guys make the game so crisp already though


14:08:35DiannaAgronif time and effort are problems


14:08:40raptormaybe github will get us more developers


14:08:47watusimotoI know I've asked this 1000 times, but what do you think it would take to get bf working on emscripten?


14:08:50raptorDiannaAgron: lots of time and effort!


14:09:04watusimotoDiannaAgron: luckily,we're kind to volunteers


14:09:08DiannaAgronoh


14:09:19raptorwatusimoto: time and effort


14:09:23DiannaAgronwell I could link this game in #tagpro, a community I'm fairly popular in to see if they like it


14:09:26watusimotoyes, of course :-)


14:09:31DiannaAgronas you said though I think even those who are interested would be turned away though


14:09:47watusimotobut do you think it's primarily a tooling issue, or that a lot of code would need to me massaged


14:10:20watusimotoDiannaAgron: we need everyone who wants to try the game on a given day to show up at once


14:10:34watusimotoif that happened, we'd get plenty of players to stick around


14:10:36raptorwatusimoto: when i almost got it to compile last time, there was little code that needed to be changed...  although, now that i think about it, i think emscripten dropped GLES1 support


14:10:42watusimotobut making that happen is... difficult


14:11:15watusimotowell, I think getting it to work in a browser would be a huge boost to the potential playerbase


14:11:16raptorso i bet if we finished GLES2, we'd be good to give it another good try


14:11:21raptoryes, me too


14:11:36DiannaAgronYeah, tagpro is web-based


14:11:37watusimotohmmm.... gles2.  That means shaders


14:11:45DiannaAgronI wouldn't even bother with the site if amgine didn't pester me to play it lol


14:11:54watusimotoha


14:12:04raptorI already did the large refactor of GL code


14:12:17raptorjust need to finish implementing the GL2 part of it


14:12:20watusimotowell, amgine is a strong proponent of the game... I'll give him that


14:13:16DiannaAgronyeah


14:13:27DiannaAgronI looked at some of his forum posts a while ago


14:13:34DiannaAgronnot really proud for announcing he brought me here lol


14:13:54watusimotoyeah, well... we'll keep it a secret


14:14:01watusimotoeverything is a secret on the intenet


14:15:51DiannaAgronhow many active users does bitfighter even usually have


14:16:15watusimotohonestly, I've stopped counting


14:16:19raptori tried implementing a TimeCounterMenuItemMilliseconds - didn't go so well.  Perhaps I'll just do a FloatCounterMenuItem


14:16:54watusimotoI can do it tonight if you'd like... I'd create a TenthsCounterMenuItem


14:17:06watusimotoI bet I could punch it out in 20 minutes


14:17:33DiannaAgronare you both devs


14:17:36watusimotoit would just subclass the regular counter, but add a decimal in the display, and return results as a float rather than an int


14:17:38raptorand how would it store the data internally?


14:17:43watusimotoDiannaAgron: yes


14:17:46DiannaAgroncool


14:18:05watusimotoraptor: I have no idea :-)  figuring that out would account for 3 of the 10 minutes


14:18:12raptorhaha


14:18:23watusimotoDiannaAgron: I am the original bf developer, raptor is our best developer


14:18:35DiannaAgronalso: I can't find the registration email for signing up with bitfighter, where should I check after Spam?


14:18:37DiannaAgronand lol


14:18:38raptorha! again


14:18:40watusimotoand there's a couple of others who come and go but do good work when they come


14:18:43DiannaAgronisn't this game like 5 years old?


14:18:53watusimotoolder


14:19:10DiannaAgronoh


14:19:14DiannaAgronwas it ever very popular


14:20:14raptorI remember one BBB with 20ish players at once


14:20:18raptor!bbb


14:20:18BFLogBotBig Bitfighter Battle!


14:20:47DiannaAgronlol


14:20:49DiannaAgronsounds small


14:21:28DiannaAgroni would see if I could give you any advice; tagpro is a game that's only on its own website (- subreddits), so I really don't know how that one got so popular


14:21:38DiannaAgronI think they did advertise it on AskReddit and stuff though


14:21:42DiannaAgronwhenever the discussion came up


14:21:48DiannaAgronabout online games I mean


14:21:52raptoris it a browser game?


14:21:57DiannaAgronyeah


14:22:10raptorah ok - that's where we should probably develop to


14:22:13DiannaAgronbut it's not really on any mainstream sites other than having forums on reddit


14:22:17DiannaAgronyea


14:22:30watusimotoDiannaAgron: what is your username?


14:22:32DiannaAgronthere are "good webgames" discussions on subreddits a lot


14:22:35raptorwe have to do some steps first:  GLES2, then emscripten


14:22:36DiannaAgronBlazeth


14:22:42DiannaAgronyeah


14:22:59DiannaAgronanyway, if you post it and reddit is in your favor that day, you could get a good 100 users


14:23:01watusimotoI don't think you're in the user db


14:23:05DiannaAgrono


14:23:14DiannaAgroni'm on right now


14:23:22watusimotoah


14:23:27watusimotodid you register with the forums?


14:23:32DiannaAgronyeah


14:23:40watusimotoI don't see you in there


14:23:42DiannaAgronbut I haven't activated because email hasn't arrived


14:23:43DiannaAgronI think


14:23:56DiannaAgronlol


14:23:56raptori'll activate you


14:24:01DiannaAgronit came in spam a minute ago


14:24:03DiannaAgronno need


14:24:07raptorah ok


14:24:09raptorcool


14:24:12DiannaAgronye


14:24:45watusimotoweird


14:24:47watusimotook


14:25:00watusimotoI can't find you in the forums... I hate this forum software


14:25:09DiannaAgronmaybe amgine actually sent out 10,000 emails about bitfighter


14:25:13DiannaAgronso now google thinks it's spam lol


14:25:20watusimotolike I said, raptor is our best dev :-)


14:25:21DiannaAgronyeah these forums suck


14:25:30DiannaAgronvbulleten is cool but you don't want to pay for that with such a small forum


14:25:39DiannaAgronreddit is cool I guess, if you don't really want it on your site


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14:26:21raptorit's time to update phpbb again, sadly...


14:26:40watusimotoI think they should add more options to the control panel


14:26:48watusimotoit feels too simplistic


14:26:59raptori can't tell if you're serious...


14:27:11watusimotoI think it needs like 8 more sections


14:27:22raptorheh


14:27:23watusimotoof course I'm not serious


14:27:37watusimotothe thing is a beast


14:27:47raptorphpbb 3.1 came out recently, but it's too new for me to want to upgrade quite yet


14:27:57raptorit's supposed to simpify*and* give more options


14:28:11DiannaAgronwhy is there a bot on the forum


14:28:12watusimotowell, that could be possible


14:28:18watusimotoa bot?


14:28:21raptora bot?


14:28:22DiannaAgronYahoo


14:28:26DiannaAgronoh it's gone


14:28:27DiannaAgronlol


14:28:37DiannaAgronit said Yahoo[Bot]


14:28:38watusimotohow do you know its a bot?


14:28:42DiannaAgronwell I assumed


14:28:44raptorah, that is a search engine spider


14:28:48DiannaAgronoh


14:28:48DiannaAgronweird


14:29:07raptorthe forums allow certain search engines to get specific access so our forums show up in their results


14:29:08watusimotoyahoo... great... now we'll be getting aol disks mailed to all our users or something


14:29:33DiannaAgronoh


14:29:39DiannaAgrondo you guys advertise your game anywhere


14:29:58raptorit was on desura


14:30:02raptorit's on gamejolt


14:30:07raptori think, still


14:30:18DiannaAgronoh


14:30:22DiannaAgronbut any direct advertisement?


14:30:55raptornot really - i prefer to tinker with the code


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14:41:00DiannaAgronhi Nothing_Much


14:41:56Nothing_MuchHey DiannaAgron


14:47:54raptorback shortly


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14:58:45watusimotoDiannaAgron: no advertisements... where would we advertise?


14:58:52watusimotoand would it work?


14:59:18DiannaAgronidk


14:59:20DiannaAgronI told you reddit


14:59:28DiannaAgronidk where else, that's just where I found the game I play - and most people


14:59:36watusimotothere is a bf subreddit somewhere, I think


15:00:10watusimotoor do you mean a real advertisement


15:25:41Nothing_MuchDiannaAgron, I would suggest uh... well, TV, if that's even possible :P


15:26:00DiannaAgronlol


15:26:07DiannaAgronI mean advertise on other subreddits


15:26:12DiannaAgronwhere games are brought up watusimoto


15:26:23DiannaAgronyou don't even have to make it look like an ad, just offer it and see if people like it


15:26:47Nothing_MuchDiannaAgron, I've done that a few times, but unfortunately I've been busy and people didn't seem to have too much interest, especially considering Steam on Linux means more AAA games. :|


15:27:07DiannaAgronlol


15:27:13DiannaAgronwell idk how tagpro got popular then


15:27:47Nothing_Muchtagpro?


15:28:17DiannaAgronjust some game I play


15:28:35DiannaAgronanyway it's only on its website (plus some subreddits) and that's how it got popular


15:28:45Nothing_MuchAh, it's very simple.. it's an HTML5 game.


15:28:57DiannaAgronyes


15:29:03Nothing_MuchUnfortunately.. but fortunately, Bitfighter is a native application that requires you to download and install the game.


15:29:22Nothing_MuchIt's a shame, but also really good because HTML5 is cross platform and therefore more Linux games.


15:29:55Nothing_MuchHTML5 for Bitfighter would obviously help out the game, but unfortunately, we only have.. two or three active developers at the moment.


15:33:03Nothing_MuchHonestly though, TV especially and Internet advertisements would be extremely helpful


15:33:12Nothing_MuchBut it would have to have a major impact.


15:36:20DiannaAgrontv ads won't happen


15:36:20DiannaAgronlol


15:36:40Nothing_MuchYeah... those would be extremely costly.


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16:31:22DiannaAgronhi Flynn and amgine123


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17:05:17watusimotosorry... was away at lunch


17:06:20watusimotoraptor reminded me we do have a way forward that might let you play bf in a browser, and that would certainly help


17:06:31watusimotoits just a question of developer time


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17:33:03watusimotoDiannaAgron: Have you quit and restarted bitfighter since raptor approved your account?


17:33:19watusimotoI'm trying to figure out why your name isn't underlined on the players list


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18:36:51DiannaAgronwatusimoto_ no


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19:15:03watusimotook, cool


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19:55:57DiannaAgronis the bitfighter music uploaded anywhere


19:56:00DiannaAgronit seems pretty cool


19:57:35DiannaAgronwatusimoto_


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21:01:03Nothing_MuchDiannaAgron, Yes it is


21:01:14DiannaAgronwhere?


21:01:17Nothing_MuchIt's in the folders when you install Bitfighter :)


21:01:22Nothing_MuchThey're .xm files though


21:02:02Nothing_MuchUse VLC


21:04:04DiannaAgrono


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21:36:34Nothing_MuchI personally only like two songs the most


21:37:25Nothing_MuchKick the Beat and History of Time


21:37:58fordcarsHeyy


21:40:06fordcarswatusimoto: to my knowledge, I think all the ways we could get Bitfighter to work in web browsers was using OpenGL ES 2 and friends, so shaders


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21:48:05Nothing_Muchfordcars, Vulkan? :0


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21:49:04fordcarsHahaha :o


21:49:12Nothing_MuchVulkan might make things easier? Maybe?


21:49:14Nothing_Muchidk


21:49:28fordcarsI think it takes years for graphics cards to support it, right?


21:49:34fordcarsIdunno


21:49:35Nothing_Muchmaybe..


21:49:54fordcarsSo, what have you been up to, Nothing_Much?


21:50:13Nothing_MuchIn my own place living alone and it's amazing.


21:50:26Nothing_MuchHoping the prices won't go up too much when the next year comes.


21:52:41fordcarsOooo cool


21:52:54Nothing_MuchYeah, it's awesome, especially considering how close I am to work as well.


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22:15:32fordcarsMan, that sounds cool


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22:16:19raptorhello!


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22:30:51fordcarsHi raptor! If I use 'data = new unsigned char [imageSize];'


22:30:57fordcarsHow can I free that memory?


22:31:02fordcarsdelete or free()?


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22:34:55Watusimotohowdy


22:35:02fordcarsHi!


22:35:05raptoralways use delete with new


22:35:08raptorhi


22:35:21fordcarsOoo thanks, I am following a really shitty tutorial


22:42:48Watusimotohi


22:42:56Watusimotonever use new unless you are really sure you need it


22:43:04Watusimotoand if you're really sure... you're probably wrong


22:43:34raptoralso if you ever use 'char', then you likely have a bug (according to a c++ teacher of mine)


22:43:39fordcarsYeah I didn't want to


22:43:45fordcarsHahahaha


22:43:50fordcarsThis is a C tutorial


22:43:54fordcarsBut I am coding in C++


22:44:00raptorah, then you're stuck with bugs


22:44:01fordcarsBut somehow he uses new??


22:44:05fordcarsHahaha


22:44:18raptorthat c++, i think


22:44:45raptorusually in C you have to do things like malloc/free


22:48:05fordcarsBut the rest


22:48:08fordcarso it is in c++


22:48:14fordcarsBut it's a bad tutorial


22:48:20DiannaAgronI have no idea what I'm reading lol


22:48:23fordcarsNever uses anything like std::strings


22:48:36fordcarsAccording to your teacher


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22:59:20fordcars:P

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