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| 01:07:00 | karamazovapy | you getting randy now that your wife isn't preggers anymore? |
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| 02:44:00 | raptor | i must learn to choose my words with greater precision... |
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| 03:40:00 | Zoomber | hi |
| 03:44:00 | karamazovapy | the chilluns were sad pointblank wasn't up earlier |
| 03:44:00 | karamazovapy | they wanted to play sniper rifle |
| 04:12:00 | karamazovapy | want to see my new little toy? |
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| 04:20:00 | Zoomber | sure |
| 04:20:00 | Zoomber | i dont know what happened to pointblank's server |
| 04:25:00 | karamazovapy | on bob saget, I think the pass is asdf |
| 04:34:00 | karamazovapy | shame you can't watch bursts until they blow up with sensor |
| 04:47:00 | karamazovapy | ooooh...I just figured out how to script-generate spirals! |
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| 04:54:00 | raptor | did you figure out the math? |
| 04:54:00 | karamazovapy | yeah...it was actually really obvious! |
| 04:55:00 | karamazovapy | I actually derived it and then realized how stupid I was being |
| 04:55:00 | karamazovapy | like...converted from polar to rectangular equation |
| 04:55:00 | Zoomber | oh hey raptor |
| 04:55:00 | karamazovapy | took very little conversion from the curve tool |
| 04:56:00 | Zoomber | maybe raptor should guess what im up to tonight? |
| 04:56:00 | raptor | hi |
| 04:57:00 | karamazovapy | cornu spirals might be neat to play with, for the novelty of it |
| 04:58:00 | karamazovapy | http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CornuSpiral.html |
| 04:58:00 | karamazovapy | look toward the bottom |
| 04:59:00 | Zoomber | i see a potential soccer map |
| 04:59:00 | karamazovapy | well one looks like quicksilver |
| 05:00:00 | Zoomber | see the six images at the bottom? |
| 05:00:00 | karamazovapy | yeah |
| 05:00:00 | Zoomber | the one on the TOP middle |
| 05:00:00 | Zoomber | maybe the bottom middle |
| 05:00:00 | Zoomber | i picture little goalzones at the ends |
| 05:00:00 | karamazovapy | I modified the curvegen to make these > http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FermatsSpiral.html |
| 05:00:00 | Zoomber | where it trirls |
| 05:00:00 | Zoomber | those are beautiul |
| 05:01:00 | karamazovapy | but it can do any kind of archimedean spiral |
| 05:01:00 | Zoomber | im too busy working on my "qwop" |
| 05:01:00 | karamazovapy | lost cause |
| 05:01:00 | raptor | neat |
| 05:02:00 | Zoomber | determination has already given me sound, proper graphics, even the blue icons printed on my computer work |
| 05:02:00 | karamazovapy | first though! how many turns and how fast should it grow? |
| 05:02:00 | Zoomber | hopefully when i get through this reboot, wifi will work |
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| 05:02:00 | karamazovapy | oooh...and what should the starting radius of the spiral be! |
| 05:02:00 | Zoomber | someone pressed ctrl + w by accident |
| 05:02:00 | Zoomber | aaah, it booted up like a champ |
| 05:03:00 | karamazovapy | z - check this spiral combo out on saget |
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| 05:06:00 | Zoomber | raptor : pressed ctrl + w by accident? |
| 05:06:00 | raptor | hate to restart the computer - i'm in windows... |
| 05:06:00 | raptor | had |
| 05:15:00 | raptor | i can't believe the ipod touch firmware is over 400MB |
| 05:21:00 | Zoomber | you have an ipod touch? |
| 05:21:00 | Zoomber | gs |
| 05:21:00 | Zoomber | sgsee |
| 05:21:00 | karamazovapy | stupid apple and their 400MB firmware... |
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| 05:22:00 | Zoomber | yeah |
| 05:22:00 | Zoomber | thats why i purposely jailbreak mine |
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| 07:01:00 | Zoomber | wow. if anyone gets this. i have everything (including those card readers BUT wifi and almost finished with sleep mode) working |
| 07:02:00 | Zoomber | ethernet works like a charm. I have a mini wifi-dongle anyways, incase i fail to fix |
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| 17:03:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: if i build a rudimentary getopt framework for lua scripts, would you use it? |
| 17:04:00 | karamazovapy | yeah, for the curvegen at least |
| 17:04:00 | raptor | ok, i'm about 1/2 done... |
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| 19:25:00 | Zoomber | sam686 you can check this chart http://www.mymacnetbook.com/compatibility-chart/ |
| 19:26:00 | Zoomber | those are the things that seem to really work naturally, others are toughter to get working (mine says the card reader doesnt work, but i got it to work) |
| 19:32:00 | sam686 | still, there is some thinks better at going for buyine a new apple computer vs a computer compatible with hack-intosh |
| 19:33:00 | sam686 | buying a non-mac computer usually have windows in it, which in turn, may be extra cost to buying it.. |
| 19:33:00 | sam686 | buying apple computer is also extra cost, as you guess, as the operating system may not be free.. |
| 19:34:00 | sam686 | hack-intosh is hacking operating system to get it for free, which might not be legal or risky... |
| 19:34:00 | sam686 | virtual machine may be different, though... |
| 19:38:00 | sam686 | linux is often the only one that is most often used as a command line... |
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| 19:42:00 | sam686 | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9075000/OS_Smackdown_Linux_vs._Mac_OS_X_vs._Windows_Vista_vs._Windows_XP (i have found it that seem to compare between operating systems) |
| 19:50:00 | Zoomber | he doesnt like it because he works in an office cubical which needs works done |
| 19:51:00 | Zoomber | we have netbooks, which arent for work |
| 19:51:00 | Zoomber | plus, that article is old and outdated |
| 19:52:00 | sam686 | some of the points in the article still is true, including linux's moving hard disk with linux operating system in it to new computer will "just work" |
| 19:55:00 | Zoomber | why isn't that true with mac? |
| 19:55:00 | Zoomber | thats how im installing it.. |
| 19:55:00 | Zoomber | actually, im restoring it from one hard drive to another |
| 19:56:00 | sam686 | an already installed operating system in a hard disk, then moving hard disk to another computer, might not work due to licencing.. |
| 19:56:00 | sam686 | linux is free, and does not have such licnece to worry about.. |
| 19:57:00 | sam686 | also, combined with linux automatically working with most hardware, make it even easier for switching hardware for that installed linux hard disk |
| 19:58:00 | Zoomber | ok sam. when are you going to switch hardware from one netbook to your desktop? |
| 19:58:00 | Zoomber | plus, better to have a clean installation than one with alot of files on it.. |
| 19:58:00 | sam686 | maybe even better, copy hard disk with linux operating system in it.. |
| 19:59:00 | sam686 | sometimes, computer dies, but hard disk still works, and can be used with new computers.. |
| 19:59:00 | Zoomber | mac has the ability to create remove and resize disk partitions without erasing other data on the disk |
| 20:00:00 | sam686 | linux can, when using a boot live cd (without touching hard disk) |
| 20:01:00 | sam686 | ubuntu can run almost anything, from boot live ce without touchine anything, as in try it before installing it... |
| 20:01:00 | Zoomber | mac can do it even if it is the startup volume |
| 20:01:00 | Zoomber | right now on my imac, i can add a partition without shutting down once |
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| 20:02:00 | Zoomber | hi raptor |
| 20:02:00 | sam686 | max vs linux vs windows, which is better? |
| 20:02:00 | sam686 | mac, not max |
| 20:02:00 | raptor | hi |
| 20:02:00 | sam686 | hi |
| 20:02:00 | raptor | they're all better |
| 20:02:00 | raptor | and all worse |
| 20:02:00 | raptor | :) |
| 20:03:00 | Zoomber | no macs superduperawesome |
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| 20:03:00 | sam686 | linux is better at being free, windows is better at being the most compatible.. |
| 20:03:00 | sam686 | windows have most compatible software, linux have more compatible hardware... |
| 20:03:00 | raptor | linux will almost always win the speed tests |
| 20:03:00 | raptor | if the drivers are working properly... :) |
| 20:04:00 | Zoomber | nope mac will |
| 20:04:00 | Zoomber | its proven fact |
| 20:04:00 | sam686 | some graphics drivers for linux might be slow, and windows graphics drivers may have bugs such as intel funny color changing bug.. |
| 20:08:00 | sam686 | linux is the easiest to compile already-made programs, where windows and mac need to download compilers which may not be easy... |
| 20:10:00 | sam686 | changing operating system does not change CPU speed, it still takes like 8 minutes to compile bitfighter for both linux and windows xp... |
| 20:10:00 | Zoomber | not if your cpu is also working other small system processes.. |
| 20:14:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: ready for my evil scripts? |
| 20:14:00 | raptor | one or two last tests... |
| 20:18:00 | Zoomber | ooooh oooh |
| 20:18:00 | Zoomber | my netbook is officially cable-free |
| 20:20:00 | Zoomber | apple thinks my computer is a macbook air |
| 20:21:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: this is great |
| 20:21:00 | raptor | i'm ready to give you what i've got |
| 20:21:00 | raptor | whenever you get back |
| 20:23:00 | raptor | so Zoomber |
| 20:23:00 | Zoomber | ja? |
| 20:23:00 | raptor | i'm trying to jailbreak this ipod touch 3rd gen, but it already has firware 4.3.5 on it |
| 20:23:00 | raptor | so i'm trying to downgrade |
| 20:23:00 | raptor | to 4.3.4 |
| 20:23:00 | Zoomber | ouch |
| 20:24:00 | Zoomber | you can choose your own firmware by holding the option key when clicking "restore" on your ipod in itunes |
| 20:24:00 | Zoomber | lets you select which ipsw to use |
| 20:24:00 | raptor | yes, i did that |
| 20:24:00 | raptor | but it keeps giving me a goofy error |
| 20:24:00 | Zoomber | what is the error? |
| 20:24:00 | Zoomber | \ |
| 20:25:00 | raptor | i am going to restart into windows to work on this again... give me a couple min.. |
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| 20:30:00 | raptor | ok ok, i'm back |
| 20:30:00 | karamazovapy | I can take a look at bitfighter stuff for a minute before I get back to work |
| 20:30:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: ok, let me upload somewhere |
| 20:30:00 | karamazovapy | what exactly will this be? |
| 20:31:00 | raptor | you need this script in your scripts/ directory first: http://208.107.52.15/upload/getopt.lua |
| 20:31:00 | raptor | and here is your modified curvegen for arcs: http://208.107.52.15/upload/arc.lua |
| 20:32:00 | raptor | but you can use optargs with it in the command windows in the editor |
| 20:33:00 | karamazovapy | I'm debating adding spiral support to the curvegen |
| 20:33:00 | raptor | sure! |
| 20:33:00 | raptor | or make it another script |
| 20:33:00 | karamazovapy | well it's almost identical |
| 20:33:00 | raptor | we can compile a toolset of scripts: circle.lua, spiral.lua, arc.lua, curve.lua |
| 20:34:00 | raptor | the reason i suggest modularization is because of watusimoto's future idea of including a script toolbar of sorts sometime int he future |
| 20:34:00 | raptor | Zoomber: error 3194 |
| 20:34:00 | karamazovapy | well spot the differences from the original curvegen: |
| 20:35:00 | karamazovapy | SpiralRad = 0 |
| 20:35:00 | karamazovapy | for x = StartPoint, Destination, 2 * math.pi / Resolution do |
| 20:35:00 | karamazovapy | Curve = Curve .. 1 * SpiralRad * math.cos(x) + CenterX .. " " .. 1 * SpiralRad * math.sin(x) - CenterY .. " " |
| 20:35:00 | karamazovapy | SpiralRad = SpiralRad + .1 |
| 20:35:00 | karamazovapy | end |
| 20:35:00 | karamazovapy | SpiralRad + [growthrate] |
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| 20:35:00 | raptor | radius increase |
| 20:35:00 | raptor | not much |
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| 20:36:00 | karamazovapy | Curve = Cuve .. [spiral...intensity? + or - for clockwise/counter] * SpiralRad... |
| 20:37:00 | Zoomber | oh, thooose errors |
| 20:37:00 | raptor | what do you think of my optargs implementation? |
| 20:37:00 | karamazovapy | nevermind about the intensity...it just scales the spiral |
| 20:38:00 | Zoomber | raptor, what method are you trying/ what have you done so far |
| 20:38:00 | karamazovapy | I think I have to use it a bit |
| 20:39:00 | karamazovapy | I'm not sure if long term I would prefer optargs or prompts |
| 20:39:00 | raptor | yeah... i'm not sure how to output to the command screen yet... |
| 20:39:00 | raptor | much less do dialogs |
| 20:39:00 | karamazovapy | ah...I kind of assumed function printHelp() did that |
| 20:40:00 | raptor | yes, it outputs to the command line if you launch bitfighter from a command prompt |
| 20:40:00 | karamazovapy | oh, okay |
| 20:40:00 | raptor | but i don't know how to output to the command window in the editor... |
| 20:40:00 | raptor | yet... if it's possible |
| 20:41:00 | karamazovapy | search the codebase for "Console initialized" |
| 20:44:00 | karamazovapy | oh - looks like you need one little fix - StartPoint never gets converted from degrees to radiians |
| 20:44:00 | karamazovapy | radians |
| 20:45:00 | raptor | oops |
| 20:45:00 | karamazovapy | also, you can add/modify about three lines of code and polywalls will work, too |
| 20:46:00 | raptor | modify anything you want... |
| 20:46:00 | raptor | i will try and figure out how to output to the command window |
| 20:46:00 | karamazovapy | cool |
| 20:46:00 | karamazovapy | neat work |
| 20:46:00 | raptor | my first lua script! |
| 20:46:00 | raptor | :) |
| 20:47:00 | karamazovapy | interesting...using run arc.lua -h crashes the editor |
| 20:47:00 | raptor | what |
| 20:47:00 | raptor | didn't in linux |
| 20:47:00 | raptor | hmmm |
| 20:47:00 | raptor | run arc -h |
| 20:47:00 | karamazovapy | I mean from the editor |
| 20:48:00 | raptor | Zoomber: i'm gonna try a bit more research, then ask for your help if i get stuck again - i found a few new leads |
| 20:52:00 | raptor | haha |
| 20:52:00 | raptor | ok karamazovapy |
| 20:52:00 | raptor | remove the os.exit() line in the opts for loop |
| 20:53:00 | raptor | i didn't actually test that... |
| 20:53:00 | raptor | i need to find some other way to skip the rest of the script |
| 20:55:00 | karamazovapy | hm...now I've broken it somehow and it doesn't work anymore |
| 20:55:00 | raptor | hooray! |
| 20:55:00 | raptor | i'm not used to lua script errors enough to debug very well yet |
| 20:58:00 | karamazovapy | weird...the error I get is "Error loading levelgen script: scripts/arc.lua:1: unexpected symbol near ' '. Skipping..." |
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| 20:59:00 | raptor_ | whoami |
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| 21:01:00 | raptor_ | maybe it's my uber 'u' |
| 21:01:00 | karamazovapy | wasn't a problem when it worked a minute ago |
| 21:01:00 | raptor_ | oh |
| 21:01:00 | raptor_ | maybe the line endings changed |
| 21:02:00 | raptor_ | since i wrote it in linux |
| 21:02:00 | karamazovapy | no clue. I'll worry about it later, though |
| 21:02:00 | raptor_ | ok |
| 21:04:00 | sam686 | raptor, can you use /nickserv release raptor ? |
| 21:04:00 | raptor_ | what did that do? |
| 21:04:00 | raptor_ | this web client is goofy |
| 21:05:00 | sam686 | it forces it to rename other clones to a different name, so you can rename it to that.. |
| 21:05:00 | sam686 | sometimes, at one time, /nickserv ghost could be used, but not sure... |
| 21:06:00 | sam686 | i think you can rename with /nick |
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| 21:06:00 | raptor | ah ha! |
| 21:06:00 | raptor | that's the one |
| 21:06:00 | raptor | thanks |
| 21:12:00 | raptor | is it just me or is the bitfighter icon on windows really ugly |
| 21:12:00 | raptor | like it was loaded in the gimp and someone did a sloppy edge erase |
| 21:13:00 | sam686 | for windows irc client, i have found KVirc to be the best I have found so far... |
| 21:13:00 | sam686 | visual studio have an icon editor, as i can edit the icon is i want to... |
| 21:14:00 | sam686 | what is a difference between linux and windows icon? |
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| 21:18:00 | sam686 | for my linux, a binary file is simply a diamond shape as with all binaries in linux i guess.... |
| 21:19:00 | raptor | not sure - i don't look at the icon on a non-white background |
| 21:20:00 | raptor | ok, i failed to jailbreak... need to wait for another exploit to comeout |
| 21:20:00 | raptor | back to linux.. |
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| 21:35:00 | raptor | sam686: is there a method to output to the command window in the editor from a lua script? |
| 21:36:00 | sam686 | what command? |
| 21:36:00 | sam686 | printf ? |
| 21:36:00 | raptor | my goal is to output any pring() statement from within a LUA script to the command window |
| 21:37:00 | raptor | print() |
| 21:38:00 | raptor | or use an equivalent command to print to the command window in-editor |
| 21:39:00 | sam686 | lua in bitfighter levelgen has logprint(message) |
| 21:40:00 | raptor | maybe that's it! let me test.. |
| 21:46:00 | raptor | this isn't working: LuaUtil:logprint("Usage:") |
| 21:46:00 | raptor | but the doc for it says it writes it to the log file anyways |
| 21:46:00 | raptor | so i don't think that's the method i want |
| 21:48:00 | sam686 | not sure, where did "print" come from, from LUA? |
| 21:50:00 | raptor | yes |
| 21:51:00 | sam686 | how will it be possible to print to console, or to in-game console? |
| 21:52:00 | raptor | exactly, i'm trying to see if there is a way; if not, we need to code one, i think |
| 22:01:00 | raptor | ok, i think i coded one... |
| 22:01:00 | raptor | sadly it isn't available in 015a |
| 22:23:00 | raptor | how does this sound?: LuaUtil:printOglConsole |
| 22:23:00 | raptor | too verbose? |
| 22:25:00 | sam686 | what will a simple print be used for? in windows, in release compile mode, usually there is no seperate console window.. |
| 22:25:00 | raptor | except there's a segfault in 016 when running scripts... |
| 22:25:00 | raptor | in editor |
| 22:25:00 | raptor | you can run a script with 'run' |
| 22:25:00 | sam686 | is it possible to override a print command to our custom code? |
| 22:26:00 | raptor | i want to be able to print strings to the console to give feedback to the user |
| 22:26:00 | raptor | can you explain that in different words? |
| 22:27:00 | sam686 | as in, get rid of lua's built in print, in instead, write our own print command from LUA |
| 22:28:00 | sam686 | using the same "print" name |
| 22:28:00 | raptor | so lua has: print("some text") which goes to stdout |
| 22:28:00 | raptor | ah |
| 22:28:00 | raptor | I don't know... |
| 22:29:00 | raptor | we'd have to get stdout somehow and redirect it to the OGLConsole if it was detected as open |
| 22:35:00 | raptor | argh... i can't figure out the script running error with the editor: http://pastie.org/2624147 |
| 22:35:00 | raptor | and i have to go somewhere for a few hours |
| 22:35:00 | raptor | all i did was press '/' in editor, then type 'run' and <enter> |
| 22:35:00 | raptor | gotta go.. |
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| 22:47:00 | Zoomber | looks like he left right as i joined |
| 22:55:00 | sam686 | who is "he"? |
| 22:59:00 | Zoomber | raptor |
| 23:00:00 | Zoomber | raptor left at 3:35 pm, i got back here at 3:45 pm |
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| 23:24:00 | Zoomber | hi flynnn |
| 23:25:00 | Zoomber | sam686: bootup results now: about 10 seconds to boot up netbook to point of accessable UI |
| 23:25:00 | Zoomber | 10 seconds after to get background processes all running and up |
| 23:26:00 | Zoomber | kind of how windows is slow for about 1 minute right after you boot it up, but then after that minute, you can hear the hard drive calming down |
| 23:27:00 | sam686 | is that in a solid state drive where absolutely no hard disk noise is made? |
| 23:28:00 | sam686 | ssd hard disk is one reason of speedup.. |
| 23:28:00 | Zoomber | yeah |
| 23:28:00 | Zoomber | but it was super super slow on windows xp |
| 23:29:00 | Zoomber | i almost never used the netbook, except for few times in the car |
| 23:29:00 | sam686 | mine takes about 30 seconds to boot up on windows and linux |
| 23:29:00 | sam686 | mostly because of i am using a slow computer |
| 23:30:00 | Zoomber | this is on my netbook |
| 23:30:00 | sam686 | i would say linux is slightly faster boot up speed then windows.. |
| 23:30:00 | Zoomber | not my imac |
| 23:30:00 | Zoomber | my imac probably boots up in 8 seconds and by loads everything in UI instantly |
| 23:31:00 | sam686 | windows xp was not optimized for solid state drives, and was starved of very little free hard disk space, is a big problem with windows xp |
| 23:32:00 | Zoomber | windows xp was not ment for netbooks at all |
| 23:32:00 | Zoomber | but windows 7 wasnt that bad |
| 23:32:00 | Zoomber | i just didnt like how it would freeze every other second i did something in the browser |
| 23:33:00 | sam686 | linux will probably handle solid state drives better, especially light weight version of linux (Xubuntu and Lubuntu) |
| 23:34:00 | Zoomber | so can mac |
| 23:34:00 | Zoomber | name one thing i cant do on my mac, besides hibernation, which im fixing right now. |
| 23:34:00 | sam686 | running directX games (windows only) |
| 23:35:00 | sam686 | easy "make" command (linux) |
| 23:35:00 | Zoomber | wrong |
| 23:35:00 | Zoomber | with the installation of developer tools, you now get the make command |
| 23:35:00 | Zoomber | with the installation of fink tools, you get apt-get, even though that wasnt even meant for mac |
| 23:36:00 | Zoomber | the netbook is probably too slow for most directX games anyways, and cant use directx on linux |
| 23:36:00 | sam686 | mostly, software compatibility that can run in windows that linux and mac cannot run.. |
| 23:36:00 | Zoomber | try running garage band |
| 23:36:00 | Zoomber | dashboard |
| 23:37:00 | Zoomber | photobooth |
| 23:37:00 | sam686 | yes, there is some mac only software, and some linux only software... |
| 23:37:00 | Zoomber | automator frontrow addressbook, iphoto imovie |
| 23:37:00 | Zoomber | harder to install software on linux than on mac |
| 23:38:00 | sam686 | mostly, linux uses open source software.. |
| 23:38:00 | sam686 | linux have what is called a software center to find many softwares... |
| 23:39:00 | sam686 | at least there is for ubuntu |
| 23:39:00 | Zoomber | thats what the app store is, nearly and literally |
| 23:39:00 | Zoomber | the app store is an application similar to the one on the iphone, and will track ALL updates |
| 23:39:00 | sam686 | windows seem to lack "windows store" |
| 23:39:00 | Zoomber | also, i can virtualize ubuntu on the computer, and saw what the ubuntu software center was like, and the app store feels warmer to me |
| 23:40:00 | sam686 | can you speed test in mac? http://speedtest.net/ |
| 23:41:00 | Zoomber | thats a network speed test |
| 23:41:00 | sam686 | can it test in a mac computer? |
| 23:42:00 | Zoomber | duh |
| 23:43:00 | Zoomber | why not? |
| 23:43:00 | Zoomber | i found an old ready-boost cache file on my ssd |
| 23:43:00 | Zoomber | 4 GB |
| 23:43:00 | Zoomber | it was on my external ssd |
| 23:47:00 | sam686 | haha, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare/pc-vs-mac that will probably only talk about the plus side of windows... |
| 23:48:00 | Zoomber | When you buy a PC running Windows 7, you can get a Blu-ray player, TV tuner, Memory Stick reader, or 3G wireless built in. You can’t get a Mac that ships with these items. |
| 23:48:00 | Zoomber | wrong, my imac comes with a built in SD reader |
| 23:49:00 | Zoomber | Many PCs running Windows 7 are designed to connect directly to TVs, so you can watch movies and see photos on the big screen. Most Macs can't hook up to your TV unless you buy an adapter. |
| 23:49:00 | Zoomber | most macs come with the adapter that lets you connect your mac to a tv |
| 23:50:00 | Zoomber | With PCs running Windows 7, you can play the video and music stored on your home PC while you're on the go, for free. Apple charges $99/year for its online service. |
| 23:50:00 | sam686 | both of my desktop graphics card (AGP radeon 9200, and PCI radeon 9250) have a TV out |
| 23:50:00 | Zoomber | mac will let you you do what i just posted for free if you have lion, not 99 dollars a year |
| 23:53:00 | Zoomber | plus, all macs have the fastest port in the computer market |
| 23:53:00 | Zoomber | http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/04/external-thunderbolt-graphics-card-for-macs-to-be-developed-soon/ |
| 23:54:00 | Zoomber | and there will possibly get external graphic cards here |
| 23:54:00 | sam686 | i think most of year 2010 and later laptops have HDMI ports commonly used for digital HD TV |
| 23:54:00 | Zoomber | which arent even needed now that my own imac has 512 MB powerfull graphic card |
| 23:55:00 | sam686 | such external graphics card can be made to work on windows and linux... |
| 23:56:00 | sam686 | For speed it mostly depends on how powerful the computer is.. |
| 23:57:00 | Zoomber | how about 10 GB/s? |
| 23:57:00 | sam686 | 10 GB/s for what? |
| 23:59:00 | Zoomber | thunderbolt cable speed |